Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[Spidey_62]

I don’t know who is wasted more, Sally Field or Marisa Tomey.

I still like that time shortly after ASM2 Sally Field trashed those movies saying she had nothing to do and couldn't add anything to them (what she actually said you can't post here because it's full of bad language lol).

 

[Schlosser85]

For what it’s worth I thought Sally Field was okay, though Rosemary Harris is my favorite Aunt May.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Sally Field was another wasted opportunity. That was great casting.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I have loved F&WS so far. This last episode had a great end episode stinger. I know many on here have been less enthusiastic about it, but I am having a good time

 

[Schlosser85]

I have loved F&WS so far. This last episode had a great end episode stinger. I know many on here have been less enthusiastic about it, but I am having a good time

It's not blowing my socks off or anything, but I'm enjoying it.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I have loved F&WS so far. This last episode had a great end episode stinger. I know many on here have been less enthusiastic about it, but I am having a good time

I'm enjoying it as well. Especially the performances for Bucky, Sam, Zemo and Walker.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have loved F&WS so far. This last episode had a great end episode stinger. I know many on here have been less enthusiastic about it, but I am having a good time

Episode 4 was a big step up from the previous 2. Best episode since the first.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I have loved F&WS so far. This last episode had a great end episode stinger. I know many on here have been less enthusiastic about it, but I am having a good time

Yeah, it is pretty much everything I had hoped for. I am actually quite surprised that it doesn't seem to be very popular around here.

 

[Iceman]

I'm enjoying it as well. Especially the performances for Bucky, Sam, Zemo and Walker.

I knew I’d like what the first 3 brought but Walker has really been great.

 

[flickchick85]

I have loved F&WS so far. This last episode had a great end episode stinger. I know many on here have been less enthusiastic about it, but I am having a good time

I wasn't feeling it for the first half, but this episode finally grabbed me.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I love the whole “Superheroes done by way of Tom Clancy” /Ed Brubaker approach that the MCU has done with the Cap mythos. It’s why The Winter Soldier remains the best MCU film for me and one of my favourite CBMs.

Whereas I feel like they go overboard with the action comedy formula with the other big Avengers characters in ways that don’t always feel truthful to the comics they’re inspired by. For instance I liked Thor Ragnarok well enough, but compared to the tone of Simonson’s Ragnarok or Pak’s Planet Hulk it was basically a satirical adaptation.

With the various Cap films and now with this show I feel like they try and give it a little bit more reverence and deal with trickier issues that they otherwise avoid.

 

[Iceman]

I wasn't feeling it for the first half, but this episode finally grabbed me.

I had a feeling some who hadn’t got interested so far might have liked the last one, especially with how it was left at the end. The drama/stakes certainly went up.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Yeah, it is pretty much everything I had hoped for. I am actually quite surprised that it doesn't seem to be very popular around here.

I’m more (pleasantly) surprised by the amount of brutality they’re showing on this, especially for a Disney+ show. Not exactly Daredevil level with the gore yet, but I’m glad they’re pushing the limits.

 

[Web-Head]

I’m more (pleasantly) surprised by the amount of brutality they’re showing on this, especially for a Disney+ show. Not exactly Daredevil level with the gore yet, but I’m glad they’re pushing the limits.

Gives me hope with Moon Knight

 

[Sithborg]

Ahh yes, brutal violence is okay for Disney+.

A story about teenage gay love, inappropriate.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I love the whole “Superheroes done by way of Tom Clancy” /Ed Brubaker approach that the MCU has done with the Cap mythos. It’s why The Winter Soldier remains the best MCU film for me and one of my favourite CBMs.

Whereas I feel like they go overboard with the action comedy formula with the other big Avengers characters in ways that don’t always feel truthful to the comics they’re inspired by. For instance I liked Thor Ragnarok well enough, but compared to the tone of Simonson’s Ragnarok or Pak’s Planet Hulk it was basically a satirical adaptation.

With the various Cap films and now with this show I feel like they try and give it a little bit more reverence and deal with trickier issues that they otherwise avoid.

 

[moviedoors]

 

[Fosterson]

Whereas I feel like they go overboard with the action comedy formula with the other big Avengers characters in ways that don’t always feel truthful to the comics they’re inspired by. For instance I liked Thor Ragnarok well enough, but compared to the tone of Simonson’s Ragnarok or Pak’s Planet Hulk it was basically a satirical adaptation.

I see where you're coming from (I wish Thor wasn't such a dumb clown in the MCU as well), but the fact is that Marvel tried to give us a serious depiction of Thor and Asgard, and audiences hated it.

Marvel responded to this as the fact is that folks enjoy Thor being a meat-headed man-child who exists solely to be the butt of jokes a whole lot more. Which is why the next Thor movie is going to almost certainly feature the most watered-down interpretation possible of the Jane Foster Thor and Gorr the God Butcher story arcs, with the cancer element likely removed from the former and the latter's motivations and character probably stripped to the barest of bones.

 

[Iceman]

Gives me hope with Moon Knight

Yeah, that one needs to challenge limits a little to achieve its max potential.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I see where you're coming from (I wish Thor wasn't such a dumb clown in the MCU as well), but the fact is that Marvel tried to give us a serious depiction of Thor and Asgard, and audiences hated it.

Marvel responded to this as the fact is that folks enjoy Thor being a meat-headed man-child who exists solely to be the butt of jokes a whole lot more. Which is why the next Thor movie is going to almost certainly feature the most watered-down interpretation possible of the Jane Foster Thor and Gorr the God Butcher story arcs, with the cancer element removed from the former and the latter's motivations and character stripped to the barest of bones.

I think the issue there was more of the quality of those two particular Thor films than an overall approach. From the get go I think they probably could have done better with Thor.

 

[Fosterson]

I think the issue there was more of the quality of those two particular Thor films than an overall approach. From the get go I think they probably could have done better with Thor.

Yes, but that would have required actual creative effort, wouldn't it? And why bother with that when you've got a crazy Kiwi promising to make it just like the Guardians of the Galaxy movie that got you over $800 million at the box office?

And part of it was to do with Hemsworth. He far prefers man-child Thor to actual God and Asgardian Prince Thor, so if they wanted to keep him around, they needed to keep him happy.

Not that Ragnarok can't be enjoyed. But it REALLY p****s me off when I see delusional fanboys trying to argue that it has some kind of deeper meaning behind it. Like, they say that it deals with colonialism. Well, sorry, no. A throwaway line of exposition doesn't count as "dealing" with a topic like that. Ragnarok at best touches with the lightest of taps on some interesting issues but then it discards that in pursuit of the next gag. Which is fine for a dumb comedy. But you don't then get to claim that your movie is dealing with weighty issues when it clearly doesn't treat those issues appropriately.

 

[CK Spider]

I really like Cap's corner of the MCU, but I'll have to disagree with the prepositions about Ragnarok (and the notion that Taika brought no creative effort to the project). It very clearly had a colonialism subtext that was present not only in Hela's plot but in the Sakaar one, too. It, of course, didn't have a paper on the matter, but the recontextualization that Odin built Asgard with the massacre of other nation is what you need and pretty bold for movies that tend to be happy glamourizing "the old days". That this message is snuck into a very, very fun action comedy is truly impressive, really.

Still, for those yet thinking the cooky kiwy can't pack a punch, I have a hunch we should wait for Love and Thunder, a movie he actually wrote, as far as we know (he didn't write Ragnarok). I really don't care about this "bathos" argument that seems to have gained traction and all, but even if you do, you can't possibly not see the drama in things like Boy, Hunt For The Wilderpeople and Jojo Rabbit. The guy can go for the heart and I'm feeling he will in Love and Thunder.

Which also leads to GOTG. It and even more Vol. II are two of the most emotionally satisfying films on the MCU for my money. Yeah, even with fart jokes. Fart jokes don't take me away from actually touching takes on abuse and the pressure to perform toxic masculinity. Just like Gunn did, I'm pretty sure Taika will build upon his first film to deliver a deeper sequel.

 

[MasterBoss]

My problem with Ragnorak is that the film is so jokey none of the serious moments land for me.

Or something that should be serious is played for laughs.

 

[Web-Head]

My only thing with Falcon and Winter Soldier so far is I'm far more interested in Zemo, John Walker and their storylines than Sam and Bucky's. This is coming from someone who's favorite little corner of the MCU is Captain America's world.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I really like Cap's corner of the MCU, but I'll have to disagree with the prepositions about Ragnarok (and the notion that Taika brought no creative effort to the project). It very clearly had a colonialism subtext that was present not only in Hela's plot but in the Sakaar one, too. It, of course, didn't have a paper on the matter, but the recontextualization that Odin built Asgard with the massacre of other nation is what you need and pretty bold for movies that tend to be happy glamourizing "the old days". That this message is snuck into a very, very fun action comedy is truly impressive, really.

Still, for those yet thinking the cooky kiwy can't pack a punch, I have a hunch we should wait for Love and Thunder, a movie he actually wrote, as far as we know (he didn't write Ragnarok). I really don't care about this "bathos" argument that seems to have gained traction and all, but even if you do, you can't possibly not see the drama in things like Boy, Hunt For The Wilderpeople and Jojo Rabbit. The guy can go for the heart and I'm feeling he will in Love and Thunder.

Which also leads to GOTG. It and even more Vol. II are two of the most emotionally satisfying films on the MCU for my money. Yeah, even with fart jokes. Fart jokes don't take me away from actually touching takes on abuse and the pressure to perform toxic masculinity. Just like Gunn did, I'm pretty sure Taika will build upon his first film to deliver a deeper sequel.

You had me until you brought up Gunn. Taika is much more of a craftsman who understands how to make everything work imo. Both funny and serious. Taika makes tender films. No matter how crazy or how funny, there is an underlying heart and soul that comes out in spades for the big moments. Thor's big lightning show works so well because of how his conversations with Loki, Hulk, Valkyrie, and Odin. Where it is clear he is a person with emotions and feelings. He endears characters with the funny, which is why his flicks pack such an emotional punch imo.

One thing that gets me about the apparent knock against Taika. Do those people who don't think his flicks are emotional because they are incredibly funny, think the OT and Indy are undercut by the mountains of comedy? Because they are all loaded with it. That is what made Ford so popular.