Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[Sithborg]

Not gonna lie, I'm kind of curious on Abram's take, given his love of father/son/family legacy.

 

[Iceman]

Actually not so much. I believe the start of this conversation was Abrams' recent comment saying he's not interested in directing an existing WB IP himself, and just wants to produce this one.

I meant “back on the menu” as in Abrams being talked about in any capacity rather than whether he was directing anything or not. I hadn’t read any of the news or prior convo - just Abrams shot into my head in a very familiar way as soon as I read about someone who can revive a brand/kickstart something as his main talent and then yes, it was Abrams talk.

 

[Ninjablade]

I think Superman needs a win at this point and not another divisive deconstructionist take.

Yeah, I could go my the rest of my lifetime without hearing the phrase "deconstruction of Superman" ever again. Can we just get a construction? Why can't Superman just be happy on film and not be burdened by being himself.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, I could go my the rest of my lifetime without ever hearing the phrase "deconstruction of Superman" ever again. Can we just get a construction? Why can't Superman just be happy on film and not be burdened by being himself.

I feel like deconstruction opportunities should have to be earned by a studio putting out say 3 good, well-received films on a character. You shouldn’t be able to deconstruct something that hasn’t been constructed properly yet in the modern era, just because that is always your first instinct.

 

[Predator jp]

personally i still do think MOS was a good starting point. it just needed more mainstream follow-up by more capable director.

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah, I could go my the rest of my lifetime without hearing the phrase "deconstruction of Superman" ever again. Can we just get a construction? Why can't Superman just be happy on film and not be burdened by being himself.

Because Superman doesn't live in 1938 anymore. The world has changed and so has people's perception of the idea of an all-good, all-powerful beacon of America's ideals.

People always cite MCU Cap as an example of how Superman should be written, but the mythology of Cap was also deconstructed through a contemporary lense in TWS.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't think MoS was a "good" starting point, but I don't think it was an unsalvageable one, either. Like, the foundations were there for a better sequel. BvS just unfortunately doubled-down on the worst aspects and went in the absolute wrong direction, imo, so instead of redeeming some aspects of MoS in retrospect, the sequel made it into the movie that kicked off everything that went wrong with the DCEU.

 

[Sithborg]

Probably didn't help that the "sequel" was actually a Batman movie.

 

[flickchick85]

But...a bad Batman movie, where not even Batman ever feels heroic throughout the runtime.

 

[Nardz937]

In a movie with Batman and Superman, I still felt like I didn't have anyone to cheer for.

 

[Spidey_62]

In a movie with Batman and Superman, I still felt like I didn't have anyone to cheer for.

I cheered for Granny's Peach Tea

 

[DlAMONDZ]

So the new Riddler design is not only ugly but also completely unrecognizable

 

[Ninjablade]

You know, Snyder in one of those Wired Autocomplete Interviews said the Hulk is one of favorite superheroes. I'd actually be curious to see whatever the hell he'd come up with for a Hulk movie.

 

[Nardz937]

So the new Riddler design is not only ugly but also completely unrecognizable

I'm certain I'm going to love this take on Riddler and I dig the Zodiac/gimp look fine. But I'm still going to be a tad disappointed not seeing Dano is the classic suit.

You know, Snyder in one of those Wired Autocomplete Interviews said the Hulk is one of favorite superheroes. I'd actually be curious to see whatever the hell he'd come up with for a Hulk movie.

One hell of a body-count.

 

[flickchick85]

I have no attachment to the Riddler's aesthetics at all, so I'm totally down with Zodiac Riddler.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You know, Snyder in one of those Wired Autocomplete Interviews said the Hulk is one of favorite superheroes. I'd actually be curious to see whatever the hell he'd come up with for a Hulk movie.

Honestly, it’d probably pretentious as **** and fail in several key areas, because Snyder never seems to know when enough is enough, whilst also probably being a leg up from what Disney’s done with the character.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I’m feeling the costume (even if they borrowed from Hush) but more so the direction for the character. The Riddler reinterpreted as a serial killer and leaving riddles behind at the scene of his crimes?

 

[Gothamsknight]

I love the Riddlers new look in the film. And honestly, him being a serial killer is horrifying. Not only that, but I'm so confident in Matt Reeves that I trust every choice he has made so far. It's rare for there to be a film or project I'm interested in not even give me an ounce of caution with every new detail we've heard. I haven't been this confident with a take on a comic book character since TDK trilogy. Back in the 2000s, I really only felt that way about the Raimi trilogy and TDK trilogy. Since then, while I am a big fan of the MCU, there's definitely been quite a few things that didn't sit right with me at the time or still don't (the way they've written the MCU Spidey comes to mind, though i don't dislike his movies).

 

[Detective Conan]

This may sound... quite sacrilegious, but I really hope they don’t bring Conroy back for this. I think his time has passed, and I prefer to see another actor for Batman.

 

[Green Goblin]

I like that it's a reimagining. I think that's what Batman really needs at this point.

I'd love to see someone do for Batman, what Brian Michael Bendis did for Spider-Man with the ultimate comics.

 

[Sithborg]

You know, Snyder in one of those Wired Autocomplete Interviews said the Hulk is one of favorite superheroes. I'd actually be curious to see whatever the hell he'd come up with for a Hulk movie.

Ultimate Hulk. With all the rape. Quite the Randian hero...

This may sound... quite sacrilegious, but I really hope they don’t bring Conroy back for this. I think his time has passed, and I prefer to see another actor for Batman.

I will go further, I don't think Timm is appropriate for Batman anymore.

 

[The Batman]

People always cite MCU Cap as an example of how Superman should be written, but the mythology of Cap was also deconstructed through a contemporary lense in TWS.

And the MCU was able to do that because they constructed him in Phase 1.

Also, the reason why people think Movie Superman should be more like MCU Cap is that, no matter how much deconstruction of Cap's mythology there may be, Steve Rogers' core values remain the same. A big part of TWS' messaging is having Steve's old school values clash against modern ideas, and ultimately win.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I think the show will have a new flavor, but keeping Timm on for the art will give it that "nod to the TAS", which I think is great for a reinvention honestly.

 

[Detective Conan]

I like that it's a reimagining. I think that's what Batman really needs at this point.

I'd love to see someone do for Batman, what Brian Michael Bendis did for Spider-Man with the ultimate comics.

Geoff Johns Earth One Batman books are kind of the DC equivalent to what Bendis did with Spider-Man in the Ultimate Spider-Man books.

 

[Detective Conan]

I think the show will have a new flavor, but keeping Timm on for the art will give it that "nod to the TAS", which I think is great for a reinvention honestly.

I’m kind of anticipating something that looks akin to this, but with a bigger budget(obviously).