what an amazing callback to episode 1 where she was unsure of how her cosplay fit and how tight her pants were.
i felt the finale landed. it was great.
did she morph into carol or switch places with her? carol said 'no no no no no" just like kamala would.
I love how it was handled. Not getting in the way of the show at all, a very quick scene at the end when everything from the show was already resolved. And she reacts as if it’s nothing - “Keys please!”
That was big enough and then we get Carol at the end to kick off The Marvels hype!
I don't get why the recent shows have been only 6 episodes. Most of them needed more time. Then WV was 9 and bloody What If was 9 and She Hulk will be 9. Are they contractually obligated to have only multiples of 3 for episode count?!
Is there precedent for this in the comics, Kamala being a mutant? Or strictly an MCU thing?
I always think back to when, around Age of Ultron's release, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's origins were changed (for maybe the millionth time) to say they were products of the High Evolutionary instead of them being mutants. Whatever it was that Marvel changed since they, at the time, didn't have the film rights to X-Men. Makes me wonder if, should this be strictly an MCU thing, her comic origin would change to follow suit.
Nothing new, I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
My best guess is the blue light stuff is the wristband and the shape shifting is her mutation
The show runner confirmed that was actually Carol, not Kamala Khan that shapeshifted into Carol.We haven't actually seen her shapeshift at all, though. I'd be thrilled if her mutation is ultimately just her normal comics powerset entirely separate from 'the Noor' but if they didn't even hint at that after an entire season of her own series then I can't get any hopes up for it still happening in the future.
DEADLINE: That post-credit scene was such a sweet surprise! Can you confirm if that was actually Carol Danvers we saw or if Kamala somehow transformed into her hero?
ALI: That is Carol Danvers in Kamala’s bedroom. What you’re seeing is exactly what you think you’re seeing. That’s her, there’s no magic there. All I can say beyond that is to enjoy the movie in one year’s time.
Also notice immediately after Carol appears she’s looking at Kamala’s pictures of her confused - she’s clearly unfamiliar with the place.
With the boring villains out the way it was only good stuff left for the finale.Like Moon Knight the finale for this delivered. They get the family stuff and character interactions spot on here. And Iman Vellani is just so watchable the kid is going places.
Nice that finale was a bit more low key also. Not sure on Kamala being a Mutant yet will see how it plays out.
Yes and no. I think it's obvious Marvel wanted to be able to cross-promote and couldn't do it with mutants. That being said, there's no reason Ms. Marvel would have been a mutant if they weren't pushing Inhumans, she just would have had her powers some different way. The age of every new character being a mutant had long past well before Marvel's films were at all relevant. FWIW, her Inhuman background works really well in the comics because there's more to it than just a genetic mark. It's an ancestral heritage that was maligned. It worked really well with her Pakistani heritage. The arc before Secret Wars (the one with Kamran) was one of my favorites and precisely touched on this overlap between the parallels.What’s funny about the MCU changing Kamala from an Inhuman to a Mutant is that the very reason Kamala was created as a Inhuman in the comics in the first place was because Marvel didn’t have the film rights to X-Men, and they wanted to use Inhumans as a stand-in for them and de-emphasize Mutants. It’s clear to me that if Marvel had the X-Men rights from the very start that Kamala almost certainly would’ve been a mutant in the comics. Now that Marvel has the rights to use mutants without being sued they’re essentially done what the comics would’ve done had the rights situation been different back then. I wouldn’t be surprised if the comics follows suits and retcons Kamala to be a Mutant as well.
Are you calling Sana Amanat a liar?Yes and no. I think it's obvious Marvel wanted to be able to cross-promote and couldn't do it with mutants. That being said, there's no reason Ms. Marvel would have been a mutant if they weren't pushing Inhumans, she just would have had her powers some different way. The age of every new character being a mutant had long past well before Marvel's films were at all relevant.
I'm not going to go that far certainly. Of course, they've never said that at all until this very moment. They acknowledged that the decision to make her an Inhuman was part of a desire to tie her into the creative push of the Inhumans and they wouldn't necessarily have gone that route otherwise (although I don't remember that last claim ever being said before for Ms. Marvel; I remember much more for Moon Girl). But I've never heard either G. Willow Wilson nor Sana Amanat indicate they originally wanted her to be a mutant in any previous interview about the creative process.Are you calling Sana Amanat a liar?
Yes and no. I think it's obvious Marvel wanted to be able to cross-promote and couldn't do it with mutants. That being said, there's no reason Ms. Marvel would have been a mutant if they weren't pushing Inhumans, she just would have had her powers some different way. The age of every new character being a mutant had long past well before Marvel's films were at all relevant. FWIW, her Inhuman background works really well in the comics because there's more to it than just a genetic mark. It's an ancestral heritage that was maligned. It worked really well with her Pakistani heritage. The arc before Secret Wars (the one with Kamran) was one of my favorites and precisely touched on this overlap between the parallels.
About the episode itself, I enjoyed it. I was on the fence about everyone knowing she has powers, but the scene with her dad at the end was great.
I'm intrigued about the ending. Definitely an old school Rick Jones/Mar-Vell dynamic.
ETA: Forgot to comment on the costume. It looks amazing in live action! Great adaptation!
I disagree with the suggestion that they're identical. Similar, sure, absolutely. But mutants play on themes of minorities (generally racial or based on sexual orientation). Themes of passing privilege, threats of others from within, etc. are all prominent. Inhumans work best with themes of immigration. Sure, immigrants have themes of being racial minorities as well. But it's trying to balance two identities - being an American and being a foreigner.* I recognize it's a subtle difference. I think if Ms. Marvel was created in the Krakoa era, the difference would be even smaller. But I do think there were things with the decision to make her an Inhuman that couldn't have been done with mutants at the time.Lets not mistake them being forced to make her a Nuhuman, along with the directive to usurp all the mutants themes along the way, with a direct creative choice. It was a choice that they made the best out of. Literally, there is nothing unique about the Nuhumans that couldn't also apply to mutants. Pretty sure that was deliberate on editorials part.
With the boring villains out the way it was only good stuff left for the finale.