Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[DarthSkywalker]

Honestly, I myself am excited for movie. But the discourse has been as fun as discussing TLJ. Every conversation it feels like amounts to either Snyder fans trying to will sequels into existence and feeling the need to defend his honor, and the other side focuses on trolls and how this is a waste of money. I am at the point of not caring about any of that.

Yes, some fans are trolls but all we can do is mod the forum. If this is indeed a waste of money, who cares cause you don't have to watch it and it ain't your money. On the other side, movie ain't even out yet. Stop talking sequels and crap until we have some data (even then it is unlikely) and if you guys like the other movies, you are allowed. You don't need to go overboard defending anyone's honor.

In conclusion, I just wish we could all talk about the dang movie. Not endless fan bickering, studio politics, economics, or directors who continue to say nonsense and restart the cycle.

End rant

I feel you. I’m excited to watch it personally, but I am utterly baffled by this dork war between people who see it’s existence as personal validation and those who see it’s existence as a personal affront.

I think if you have experienced Snyder fans not necessarily here but other places online, and how they have treated other people, I think it becomes understandable why people are upset that this movie got made.

In the "Describe with a Gif" thread, two posters who aren't close to hyperbolic, made the comparison to Trump supporters. I am not saying that is accurate, but when you consider that rather reasonable people have seen this kind of behavior in abundance from Snyder fans, I don't think it is any coincidence that people aren't happy that AT&T have given into a group like that. Especially when it is all about supporting a straight white dude, who just continues to fail up in Hollywood.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[moviedoors]

I think you generalize people who wanted to see a Snyder Cut at your peril. I’ve seen the ridiculous people. They’re just as gross as the worst of any fandom. But a bunch of them also raised money for suicide prevention and I saw plenty of holier than thou folks somehow twist that into a bad thing; I think that’s also pretty damn petty and rotten. I personally have been accused of being a MAGA monster, for merely saying I would like to see the Snyder version of a funnybook movie. Me, being called a Trumper supporter!? That’s the definition of jumping the shark. People are so hostile about this from both extremes that I’m hesitant to admit that I’m a huge fan of Man of Steel. One faction would assume I’m in their DCEU cult of personality and the other would think I was probably in the mob that stormed the capital.

 

[Web-Head]

Complete random tidbit:

I bought a Nintendo Switch the other day, I’m finally getting around to playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, why didn’t y’all tell me this game was so fun and addictive?

I love the cutscenes. Clearly it’s influenced by the MCU and it’s interesting how seamless it fits the MCU narrative with the Netflix Defenders and the X-Men.

I was enjoying it and then I got stuck on the Doctor Strange boss battle and gave up

I just realized WandaVision is a show about quarantine, and I can't handle it.

Monica did say "quarantine" in episode 5.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think you generalize people who wanted to see a Snyder Cut at your peril. I’ve seen the ridiculous people. They’re just as gross as the worst of any fandom. But a bunch of them also raised money for suicide prevention and I saw plenty of holier than thou folks somehow twist that into a bad thing; I think that’s also pretty damn petty and rotten. I personally have been accused of being a MAGA monster, for merely saying I would like to see the Snyder version of a funnybook movie. Me, being called a Trumper supporter!? That’s the definition of jumping the shark. People are so hostile about this from both extremes that I’m hesitant to admit that I’m a huge fan of Man of Steel. One faction would assume I’m in their DCEU cult of personality and the other would think I was probably in the mob that stormed the capital.

Wanting to watch the Snyder version of a funnybook movie, is different then continued, long standing online harassment campaigns, and that was a large part of the Snyder Cut movement online. Wanting to watch it does not mean you need to act that way. Just like not liking TLJ did not mean attacking Kelly Marie Tran or John Boyega online was okay. Not being a fan of Disney Star Wars did not mean the miysongistic attacks on Kennedy were just about the movies.

Do not conflate liking the films with what many did in the name of trying to get the Snyder Cut made, or defending Snyder online in general.

 

[Spider-Fan]

See, this is the kind of debate I am just kind of.... over, lol!!!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

See, this is the kind of debate I am just kind of.... over, lol!!!

You started it bro.

I am going to watch it. It is a on going joke with Snow, my brother and I on who is going to "force" the others , when we are all insanely curious to see it just to see it. But, I am just not cool with the general downplaying of some of the really, really bad aspects of his fanbase. So I honestly don't understand the equating of "both sides" in this situation.

 

[moviedoors]

Wanting to watch the Snyder version of a funnybook movie, is different then continued, long standing online harassment campaigns, and that was a large part of the Snyder Cut movement online. Wanting to watch it does not mean you need to act that way. Just like not liking TLJ did not mean attacking Kelly Marie Tran or John Boyega online was okay. Not being a fan of Disney Star Wars did not mean the miysongistic attacks on Kennedy were just about the movies.

Do not conflate liking the films with what many did in the name of trying to get the Snyder Cut made, or defending Snyder online in general.

I agree that all of that is gross as hell. I'm just so tired of the generalizing. And you'll have to forgive me, but I think I'm especially punchy about generalizations tonight given the way I see people by the hundreds of thousands online taking horrible cheap shots at Texans because we're going thru a terrible natural disaster but we deserve it cause Ted Cruz and Dan Crenshaw said terrible things about the California fires and federal aid once and all Texans are a hive mind I guess. So my frustration is bleeding thru into other topics. Sorry.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Now that we know “we live in a society” is in this film. I wonder what other memes are in this movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You started it bro.

I am going to watch it. It is a on going joke with Snow, my brother and I on who is going to "force" the others , when we are all insanely curious to see it just to see it. But, I am just not cool with the general downplaying of some of the really, really bad aspects of his fanbase. So I honestly don't understand the equating of "both sides" in this situation.

I get what you are saying, but I at this point just don't care to discuss it anymore. It is been basically 75% of the discussion the entire lead up, and I just at this point have nothing else to add to it nor do I care about seeing the same arguments about it.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I don’t remember anyone saying that about Sucker Punch

I actually went to an early midnight showing of that ****. I was so excited for it. I don’t know what I was thinking. One of the worst cinematic experiences of my life (at least until BvS came out). I remember at the end of the movie when Abbie Cornish is delivering her monologue about how “you have all the weapons you need,” some guy yelled out “F*** YOU” at the screen. Such a terrible movie.

I remember seriously being worried about Man of Steel after watching that ****. Now, I actually ended up liking MoS but some of Snyder’s and Goyer’s choices in that movie did a lot of damage to their version of the character in an effort to make him “edgy” or “deep” or “realistic” or whatever they think they were going for.

 

[Flint Marko]

The Snyder cut getting released in the way it is feels like best case scenario for everyone. Fans who wanted it finally get it, while the rest of us don't have to begrudgingly see it out of a need to "keep up" with DC's live action output. It's very much it's own thing in it's own little corner, while the rest of us get to move on and look forward to better, brighter movies from DC.

 

[Erzengel]

I feel for the most part the DCEU has have very few references to other movies in the franchise.

Since 2017:
Aquaman - Offhanded comment about defeating Steppenwolf.
Shazam - Newspaper clippings and paraphernalia from MOS and Batman v. Superman and the worst non cameo
Birds of Prey - No mention of Suicide Squad and the second worst cameo
Wonder Woman 1984 - Only references to the first Wonder Woman

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Pennywise]

‘Constantine’ Reboot In The Works At HBO Max From J.J. Abrams & Bad Robot With Guy Bolton Set As Writer – Deadline

 

[mclay18]

So... when is WB planning on releasing Black Adam? Both it and The Flash are scheduled to start production in April...

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Detective Conan]

Deborah Snyder(Zack’s wife and producer of BvS) says criticisms about Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice are because of people's preconceived notions coming to the film.

I like BvS a lot, and mostly enjoy Snyder’s work but this strikes me as a pretty shallow overgeneralization as to why the movie didn’t click with so many.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Deborah Snyder(Zack’s wife and producer of BvS) says criticisms about Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice are because of people's preconceived notions coming to the film.

I like BvS a lot, and mostly enjoy Snyder’s work but this strikes me as a pretty shallow overgeneralization as to why the movie didn’t click with so many.

I get what she is saying, but yes it is an overgeneralization. But that said, I know many say "not my Batman" for that version, but honestly I thought it was fine. Batman not being very Batman I do think is what Snyder was going for and I think it worked for the movie's themes. But I get people not exactly liking it.

I don’t in general like people saying they don't get something if they dislike it. One can get Snyder's intent and just not want that out of their Batman.

 

[flickchick85]

Deborah Snyder(Zack’s wife and producer of BvS) says criticisms about Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice are because of people's preconceived notions coming to the film.

I like BvS a lot, and mostly enjoy Snyder’s work but this strikes me as a pretty shallow overgeneralization as to why the movie didn’t click with so many.

Same song they've always been singing. No truer now than it was then. But still, it's not like I expect them to go out there saying "yeah, sorry, we made a bad movie." They're proud of the movie they made, and they're allowed to be.

 

[Nardz937]

People didn't like BVS because it was "dark". They didn't like it because it was just poorly made.

I can enjoy a well-made dark/mature movie and I can also enjoy a fun family friendly movie. BVS was neither.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Same song they've always been singing. No truer now than it was then. But still, it's not like I expect them to go out there saying "yeah, sorry, we made a bad movie." They're proud of the movie they made, and they're allowed to be.

Agreed. Like I said above, I hate generalizations. One can hate Snyder's vision while understanding it and conversely one is not an idiot for liking his movies. Everyone has different tastes. But in her defense, she is also the man's wife and no doubt wants to stand up for her husband like a wife should and vice versa. I do wish she would do it with a broader brush, though.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

People hate dark comic book movies, that’s why Joker made a billion dollars and Logan was arguably the most critically respected comic book movie since The Dark Knight Trilogy!

 

[Blade Hoarder]

My seven year old bro asked if he could watch Snyder’s superfriends soon. I laughed at his stupid face. It’s a grown up movie for adults. I am fourteen and I think JL is gonna be major deep.

 

[ernesth100]

People didn't like BVS because it was "dark". They didn't like it because it was just poorly made.

I can enjoy a well-made dark/mature movie and I can also enjoy a fun family friendly movie. BVS was neither.

People didn't like BvS because Snyder is a creative visionary who's not afraid to bring depth and meaning to his characters.

Seriously go back and watch BvS, it was not a bad film by any means. It was actually very well done. But where it faulters is Snyder's creativity.

The fans don't want a creative adaption with liberties taken when it comes to the Justice League. They want the comics adaption.

People hate dark comic book movies, that’s why Joker made a billion dollars and Logan was arguably the most critically respected comic book movie since The Dark Knight Trilogy!

The reason Joker succeeded is because yes it took liberties. But it played on a possible mental illness the character may have. You could throw that Joker into the DCEU and I wouldn't bat an eye because it's an origin story.

Logan succeeded because Hugh Jackman had built the character up over year's to a perfect finale. Those scenarios are nothing alike.