Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[Snow Queen]

Falcon and Winter Soldier is pretty disappointing to me. So far, it's all about Zemo and the titular characters' chemistry for me - but it's just lacking in substance to fill the running time. It feels like a really good Captain America 4 idea that Marvel wasn't going to make, so someone padded it out into a TV show.

 

[Sithborg]

I would also like to congratulate Sly Stallone for killing a lot of me curiousity over Suicide Squad.

 

[Web-Head]

I can see your point. I do think that Sam and Bucky have been more interesting here than in any of the films they've previously appeared in, which is to be expected since they're given much more screentime. I also think that the writers have given more depth to Zemo and Walker compared to Sam and Bucky because we don't know them as well as characters since Zemo only appeared in one film prior to this and Walker is brand new to the MCU.

Zemo was already one of, if not my favorite MCU villain and I typically like seeing new characters and how they'll get integrated into the bigger scheme of things, so my interest in Walker lies there. Not to mention I just find him to be a compelling character.

 

[Snow Queen]

I would also like to congratulate Sly Stallone for killing a lot of me curiousity over Suicide Squad.

Why's that?

 

[Blade Hoarder]

How much of it has to do with Anthony Mackie not being that impressive an actor? Everybody’s been better than him. Sebastian Stan has been superior. Wyatt Russel is far more interesting with far less screen time. The actor that plays Zeno is better. Even Agent Carter made a better impression than Mackie.

 

[moviedoors]

I mean, its okay if it isn't for you. Even a toned down Ennis is still a lot.

I wouldn't rush, lol.

Well, Ennis was big part of my media diet back when I was a teenager. I was gaga for Preacher. Pushing-40 me has yet to revisit him, but I'm game.

 

[moviedoors]

How much of it has to do with Anthony Mackie not being that impressive an actor? Everybody’s been better than him. Sebastian Stan has been superior. Wyatt Russel is far more interesting with far less screen time. The actor that plays Zeno is better. Even Agent Carter made a better impression than Mackie.

I wouldn't blame Mackie. He really doesn't have a lot to work with here. It's an inert character who isn't helping drive the plot so much as he's just reacting to it and along for the ride.

 

[Sithborg]

Why's that?

He is now a very proud member of Mar-a-lago...

 

[Snow Queen]

He is now a very proud member of Mar-a-lago...

 

[moviedoors]

Why's that?

Mara Lago.

 

[The Batman]

I wouldn't blame Mackie. He really doesn't have a lot to work with here. It's an inert character who isn't helping drive the plot so much as he's just reacting to it and along for the ride.

Yeah, its silly to act like Mackie is the problem here.

Honestly, Falcon would probably be more popular of they pulled a Downey Jr./Hemsworth and essentially turned him into the superhero version of the guy playing him.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

I wouldn't blame Mackie. He really doesn't have a lot to work with here. It's an inert character who isn't helping drive the plot so much as he's just reacting to it and along for the ride.

Very strange when he is supposed to be Captain America at the end.

 

[moviedoors]

Very strange when he is supposed to be Captain America at the end.

That's the part the worries me. I mean, that has to be where this ends, right? So why is Sam such a backseat character?

 

[Sithborg]

I think the problem Mackie is having is that the parts that would allow him to shine are also the parts that the show doesn't seem to want to focus on. There are a lot of pieces to this story that aren't really meshing that well for me. Drop Zemo. Drop Flag Smasher. Drop Sharon Carter. Drop Power Broker. Focus on the issue of his family and nuCap and Isiah Bradley, Mackie would probably be doing amazing. For a show called Falcon and Winter Soldier, he doesn't feel like he is one of the headliners.

 

[moviedoors]

I think the problem Mackie is having is that the parts that would allow him to shine are also the parts that the show doesn't seem to want to focus on. There are a lot of pieces to this story that aren't really meshing that well for me. Drop Zemo. Drop Flag Smasher. Drop Sharon Carter. Drop Power Broker. Focus on the issue of his family and nuCap and Isiah Bradley, Mackie would probably be doing amazing. For a show called Falcon and Winter Soldier, he doesn't feel like he is one of the headliners.

That's a lot of plot to wrap up in two episodes of what has not been a super fast paced show. I don't know how they stick this landing.

 

[Sithborg]

That's a lot of plot to wrap up in two episodes of what has not been a super fast paced show. I don't know how they stick this landing.

To be fair, I haven't watched episode 4. Its enough though that I have decided I may as well just keep up via gif spoilers.

 

[moviedoors]

Honestly, Walker is the character I'm most interested in, or at least the one I perk up for the most when he's on screen. I think the show skipped a character beat or two in the middle there, but at least I know who this guy is, and he's actively pushing the story forward and escalating it in a way that is internally consistent.

 

[Kane52630]

One day, I will watch more than just the first episode.

The Boys is what Zack Snyder thinks his movies are, but minus the satire.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

That is very disappointing but not surprising of Sly.

 

[moviedoors]

The Boys is what Zack Snyder thinks his movies are, but minus the satire.

That makes sense. I see Snyder as the collision of grimdark with almost embarrassingly dorky sincerity. Ennis is the collision of grimdark with massive amounts of irony and pitch black humor.

 

[Schlosser85]

I can't help but to think John Walker's Captain America is Snyder interpretation only written with a little bit more depth.

I think the difference is the show isn’t saying Walker is in the right, whereas he’d be portrayed as perfectly well heroic in a Snyder movie.

 

[Iceman]

I think the problem Mackie is having is that the parts that would allow him to shine are also the parts that the show doesn't seem to want to focus on. There are a lot of pieces to this story that aren't really meshing that well for me. Drop Zemo. Drop Flag Smasher. Drop Sharon Carter. Drop Power Broker. Focus on the issue of his family and nuCap and Isiah Bradley, Mackie would probably be doing amazing. For a show called Falcon and Winter Soldier, he doesn't feel like he is one of the headliners.

Zemo is undroppable, but at the same time he’s going to steal MVP from whoever’s show it is. What to do, life is hard.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The next episode is 60 minutes, so I expect things to kick into gear a little more. Also the way Ep 4 ended that’s got to be the genesis for the final act.


But honestly the show’s been working for me as a slow burn deconstruction about what it means to be “Captain America” in the 2020s.

 

[Web-Head]

I do think Falcon and Winter Soldier would benefit from a binge watch compared to weekly.

 

[Sithborg]

And in other news, I finally saw New Mutants. I really enjoyed it. Not a perfect movie, could have done with some extra work, sure. But I really liked the cast. Replace the racist director, and I would have been down for a sequel. Or even better, team up with Mangold for a X-23/New Mutants movie. Alas, not to be.