The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion - - - - - - Part 25

[Spider-Aziz]

He certainly did fulfil the promise of keeping her out of his life as Spidey

By getting her killed

He webbed her hand to the car hood so she wouldn't follow, she went to the battle area on her own, got out of the grid control room on her own, and got tossed by the Goblin, and all Spidey's attempts to save her failed.

It's unfair to this Peter to say he got her killed, it's like saying he got her killed in Amazing Spider-Man 121 by her going to his apartment [BLACKOUT]to tell him she gave birth to twin children of Norman Osborn forget I said that, it's not there in the original story at all[/BLACKOUT] only to be met by The Green Goblin who went there when she was waiting for him to get him but found her instead and abducted her.
You can blame someone for a poorly timed choice of another, and bad luck, but you shouldn't.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Gwen kill herself. That why they ruin her death. It her own fault.

 

[ApophènX]

Gwen kill herself. That why they ruin her death. It her own fault.

Well the movie is about choice sooo

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Make no difference. Still ruined it.

 

[ApophènX]

Yeah that was not tragic at all' she choose to help him and die, emotion? Naaah'. doobie'you're right it ruined it

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I know I'm right lol. Gwen die because of own stupidity decision.

 

[Galactus123]

I tried to watch TASM1 today and I just can't watch the whole movie. I get bored and it just isn't entertaining. I only watched the first 40 minutes. I saw it in cinema and haven't watched the whole movie since. I have tried many times. I like Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone so they are not the reason. There is just something about the movie I dislike.

 

[Batsfan1]

He did, he promised George to keep her out of this, out of the Spider-Man side of his life after she made the serum.
If he didn't keep his word, he wouldn't web her hand to a car hood in TASM2 to keep her away from Electro.
He kept his word.

That's such a basic idea, that is in no way presented in TASM 2. Peter, as far as he's concerned, promised to stay away from her. George's words were, "Keep Gwen out of it." which can be interpreted as keeping her out of his Spider-Man stuff or keeping her out of his life, in general, because he's Spider-Man. Peter interprets it as staying away from her. In that sense, the promise that Peter perceives that he made, he broke. But, when Gwen comes in during the Electro fight, he doesn't get her out of there, he lets her stay involved. Have a very great day you and everyone!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I know I'm right lol. Gwen die because of own stupidity decision.

The coming of the Goblin was completely unexpected and out of nowhere.

That's such a basic idea, that is in no way presented in TASM 2. Peter, as far as he's concerned, promised to stay away from her. George's words were, "Keep Gwen out of it." which can be interpreted as keeping her out of his Spider-Man stuff or keeping her out of his life, in general, because he's Spider-Man. Peter interprets it as staying away from her. In that sense, the promise that Peter perceives that he made, he broke. But, when Gwen comes in during the Electro fight, he doesn't get her out of there, he lets her stay involved. Have a very great day you and everyone!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

But that was the promise, to keep her out of this, even if Peter and many viewers thought the promise was to stay away from her.
George died helping Spider-Man, because he kept Gwen out of it.
As for Electro, he might've recovered and shocked Spider-Man carrying Gwen out of the grid, or she'd return if Spider-Man took her away from the grid to return and fight Electro solo, she set-up her mind.


God bless you too.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The coming of the Goblin was completely unexpected and out of nowhere.

Agreed. No good build up. Very throw in at last minute.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Was there really any build up from the moment Goblin kidnapped her in the comics to when he dropped her off the bridge? I honestly think it was about the same.

 

[First Avenger]

I tried to watch TASM1 today and I just can't watch the whole movie. I get bored and it just isn't entertaining. I only watched the first 40 minutes. I saw it in cinema and haven't watched the whole movie since. I have tried many times. I like Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone so they are not the reason. There is just something about the movie I dislike.

I agree. A boring Spider-Man movie is a capital sin imo. It's still a decent movie and better than ASM2 but I can't see me rewatching it,Spidey's screentime in Civil War is 100 times better than this and Raimi's movies are still classics. BUT the best thing to come out of this was the tie-in game, I love that one.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Was there really any build up from the moment Goblin kidnapped her in the comics to when he dropped her off the bridge? I honestly think it was about the same.

There was because we saw Goblin go after her, and Peter not know it. And find out later when Goblin have her on bridge.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I just tried Branzino because of this movie

pretty good

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I just tried Branzino because of this movie

pretty good

Good to know.
I'd still like to try it.

 

[Herofan]

I rewatched the film and liked it more but still the weakest of the films.

-Peter Parker and Curt Connors were OK as highly modernized versions but not good characters in themselves or adaptations of the comic book characters.
-Peter was pretty insanely careless about his secret identity (edit: Not in the bridge scene to save a kid's life but in a lot of other scenes).
-The overall tone was a bit too dark, somber and angsty (now I see and agree with the complaints that it was at least a little too Dark Knight-y), it felt like there were only two or three feel-good moments and two or three other light moments.
-There was no point to having mechanical webshooters and having them actually hurt the movie a little.
-The music was a bit better than I remembered but the movie was really missing a main heroic theme.
-George Stacy was such a jerk.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I think ASM 2 the weakest but this one still very bad.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think 2014 may have been the last time I sat through a Spider-Man movie from start to finish. Time to celebrate the three anniversaries this year by watching both film series.

The third is the 5th anniversary of the Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[PeterBenParker]

“It’s hard for me to think about it, in terms of regrets. There are so many things that I’m proud of. There was an ambition with the second movie, in particular. The idea that it’s a superhero that can’t save everybody is something that I’m really proud of. I’m really proud of the ambition of that because it’s an important message, and I believe in that. I believe in what we were after. They’re really, really difficult movies to make. They’re complex in ways that people don’t fully understand. They weren’t disasters.”

“In terms of regrets, I don’t think of it in those terms. I felt really, really fortunate to have that opportunity. That’s a whole other long, in-depth conversation that I probably shouldn’t have publicly. I loved everybody involved. I really did. I didn’t have an adversarial relationship with the studio, at all. There were a lot of very smart people. These are just incredibly complicated movies to make. I am proud of them, in many ways, and I stand by them. I’m certainly not a victim, in that situation.”

Marc Webb reflecting on TASM series.

Source: http://heroichollywood.com/amazing-spider-man-director-disasters/

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I really respect the guy for the way he looks at the movies. I thought the cinematography of them was really well done for the most part, and his direction re: smaller scenes, personal moments was perfect. It was the bigger stuff, story structure, etc. he struggled with in the end, and while he's a better man than I for saying that the studio wasn't responsible, I think we can at least have him share the fault with Sony for those shortcomings.

 

[Daltonio]

Marc Webb reflecting on TASM series.

Source: http://heroichollywood.com/amazing-spider-man-director-disasters/

Nice to finally hear more from Marc. Wise words.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Nice to finally hear more from Marc. Wise words.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

SPIDEY MARATHON CONTINUES, WITH THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN​

*INTRO:

Like most fans of the Sam Raimi trilogy, I was disappointed with the reboot of the film franchise cause I was looking forward to the rest of what Sam Raimi had planned, I read once that they planned for six movies, being denied half the story was upsetting.

Reboot news came in, casting was announced, I had to slowly research what Andrew played before, and I only knew of a movie I didn't like at the time. Some of the folks disappointed at Sam Raimi's Spider-Man looked at this casting as good news, cause Andrew has what it takes to make a fitting Peter Parker.
I was also hoping to see a series of films where the villains don't see the face of the man behind the mask while in costume.

I couldn't guess that many in the audience would be disappointed with this take back then, and especially call this take on the character an unlikable *****ebag, I saw myself disagreeing with them on repeat viewings of the movie, although he has some moments of being naughty, he's not the unlikable jerk people claim him to be.

Time to see how wrong I am/may be with this view, I'll ready a jerk counter especially for these two films.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

*COMMENTARY PART 01:

I admit missing the flashy intro from the old series, I still love to sit through them and not skip them when I watch the previous trilogy, but the lack of the fascinating bombastic and fun to listen to theme to accompany the intro made it better to sit through a movie without a full on intro giving the names of the main cast. Not to say anything against the soundtrack by James Horner, I love listening to it, but what he composed is not the kind of music I'd like to sit through for two minutes without footage of the film accompanied by necessary dialogue.

Childhood footage is enough to give way to be explained later, it doesn't make me cringe or moan, it did make me wonder early on "What happened?", we get to know the necessary bits in this movie, so I don't mind.

Time skip to high school age Peter, probably senior year since he graduates early in the sequel, Flash doesn't seem to be much of a bully when compared to how the previous guy wanted to shatter the teeth of a nerd who did nothing more than soil his shirt with someone else's food, we get to know that he doesn't like his first name, but that goes without any explaining, as Flash is relegated to merely being a footnote in yet another movie.

15 minutes in until we get Peter to do his first jerk act, and take the identity badge of someone else. I can relate to that kind of jerk moment, he was confused and startled, a little shook up, it's something more than me can relate to, we all can be jerks sometimes, it's not the kind of move that would make someone completely unlikable, people can redeem, and he didn't steal someone's car to crash it to another in a parking lot, and he wasn't confused with someone working in a hotel and went along to do such a move.

I don't like that he confused the Greek letter 'Phi' with a zero, and that he knew how to unlock the door without proper reason for knowing the exact detail pattern he needs to unlock the door. I don't mind that he skates, I don't know how many teenagers do that these days, and it's not unlikely for a nerd to skate or take to some exercise.

Spider-Sense in the train scene reminds me of the 90s cartoon version to a degree, there is unnecessary footage there.

"Nobody likes your meatloaf" is funny.

I read once a comparison between this and the bathroom scene in another movie, a big difference between bathroom scene here and in Wolverine Origins is as follows; this guy is newly exploring his powers, Wolverine in his solo movie used his claws multiple times before, he didn't need to have muscle spasm accompanying it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

*COMMENTARY PART 02:

I like that he tried to continue his dad's work, it's not unusual for someone to try to be like his/her parents. As for pretending he came up with the decay rate algorithm, that is also something people can relate to, imagine the embarrassing questions Pete would get if he said his father hid the formula away and didn't want to share it. I don't take it as being a kid, anyone can do that, even the kinder people you would least expect dickishness from.

Why couldn't his aunt show up to school? And why did this have to change a man's working shift instead of working extra hours? His boss is the unaccounted for big jerk in the movie.
Why did Peter tell Gwen his uncle is a pathological liar? That is a jerk move.
I like the montage of Peter training to use his powers with what I guess is a new skateboard, but it didn't have to be a music video.

Peter getting mad at his uncle for a matter that involves the word father and not my policy, those are like in the Koepp take on the origin, but I prefer wrestling.
Peter stole chocolate milk.
Why did Ben find it necessary to stop the guy for simply having a gun? What if he carries a license to be armed?

I laughed at this Peter crying on his dead uncle, he looks funny.
People passed by and no one cared for the shooting that happened.
Peter heard a shooting, and didn't witness it. Just cause he saw a guy stealing money from a cashier, doesn't immediately mean he was the same guy. How did the cops knew who had the gun that fired though? There were no witnesses around.