Endgame Captain America/Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

[KevTravels]

Yeah, I have to admit, Bucky kinda got the shaft in IW and Endgame. I can't fault the Russos or Marvel too much for that; there are so many characters in these two movies that it's difficult to give everyone their due. But after they took so much time to build his character in TWS and CW and then with the post-credits scene in Black Panther, it seemed like they were working towards something more significant with him. But there might just be more to his story that we haven't seen yet. I hope so, anyway. I like the character a lot at Stan is great in the role.

He def got shafted. But it's understandable. I hope he has a role in Black Panther 2. To see his redemption.

 

[KevTravels]

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The ending scene really does highlight the friendship and respect between Cap and Sam. Evans and Mackie acted the hell out of that moment.

 

[sueb1863]

what could they have given him? He had gotten the whole "Steve...." moment when he SNAPPED?

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ONE moment would have been nice. Maybe just his reunion with Steve? But Steve never mentions Bucky even once through the entire Endgame movie. He moons over Peggy but doesn't seem to miss Bucky at all. If you never saw any of the other movies you wouldn't ever guess they even knew each other during the last battle. All we got was one shot of Bucky firing his rifle and that's it. We don't see Bucky again until Tony's funeral. It was pretty disappointing but I wasn't surprised after how little we got of Bucky in IW.

 

[Tvar10]

As a fan of Bucky, I was a little disapointed too. I feel like in the MCU they used him more of a plot progression. In The First Avenger he's barely in the movie and I feel like they didnt really nail the friendship between the two. In Winter Soldier he was cool, but I feel like they established Sam and Steve more than Bucky and Steve. In Civil War he was mostly in it to turn Steve and Tony into enemies. Infinity War he did nothing, Endgame he did less.

Bucky is one of my favorite comic characters and he DID NOT get his due in the movies.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

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Cap was awful in the last 20 minutes. Turned him into a Gary Stu who become stupidly overpowered and got a stupid cliche happy ending that was totally forced and didn’t fit the character at all.

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Which was a shame because for most of the movie I really like him.

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How is he a Gary Stu? He still lost, even with the powers of Thor, and with Thor and Iron Man fighting alongside him.

Meanwhile Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel are both powerful enough to solo Thanos on their own as long as he doesn't have the Infinity Stones.

In what way is Captain America the overpowered one here?

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Right, the power is inside Thor. And whoever holds the hammer shall possess the power of Thor. In the first Thor, his power was tied to the hammer when he was stripped of his power and the enchantment was made. So essentially, whoever is wielding it is copying his power is the easiest way to look at it. But on a practical appeal level, if they don't get the lightning, whoever holds the hammer is holding a normal everyday war hammer. Why is that cool? Ragnarok created what can be seen as slight inconsistency, but it is not hard to reason around it. For Thor, it's not his power source. Everyone else using it, it is.

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It seems pretty simple to me. The power is inside Thor, and the hammer was created to help Thor channel that power. Later, as punishment for Thor's arrogant, wreckless, and violent behavior, Odin stripped Thor of his power and sealed it inside the hammer, then made an enchantment that would give the power to any worthy person (Odin was basically implying that Thor himself would never be worthy, so he would give the power to anyone else who was). However, after the hammer is destroyed by Hela, the enchantment is rendered moot and Thor eventually learns how to access his powers on his own.

Then Thor retrieves the hammer from the past, when the enchantment is still in effect, so when Cap picks it up he recieves the power that is still locked inside the hammer.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

As someone who didn't even want

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a passing of the shield at all. The execution of this scene was so great it made me on board with Sam as the new shield bearer.

 

[KevTravels]

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ONE moment would have been nice. Maybe just his reunion with Steve? But Steve never mentions Bucky even once through the entire Endgame movie. He moons over Peggy but doesn't seem to miss Bucky at all. If you never saw any of the other movies you wouldn't ever guess they even knew each other during the last battle. All we got was one shot of Bucky firing his rifle and that's it. We don't see Bucky again until Tony's funeral. It was pretty disappointing but I wasn't surprised after how little we got of Bucky in IW.

Great point. But isn't it that the directors wanted to downplay the homoerotic tones (that fans seemingly picked up on) between Cap and Bucky. That's why we got so much mention of Peggy haha.

 

[Tvar10]

Great point. But isn't it that the directors wanted to downplay the homoerotic tones (that fans seemingly picked up on) between Cap and Bucky. That's why we got so much mention of Peggy haha.

if they were afraid of that they shouldnt have included the "first openly gay character in MCU history" in the beginning of the movie. They can make a friendship with no undertones. Just look at Cap's interaction with all the characters. He just shares a different bond with Bucky because they're best friends

Also his relationship with Bucky is special because he's one of his original friends from the 40's. Its not like his relationship with Sam

If i was frozen in time and awoken 70 years later with no connection to anyone I knew, I'd definitely be more attached to a person from that time if they were to come back

 

[The Caped Knight]

I was very excited when Tony gives back the Shield to Steve. It was a pivotal moment for their relationship.

 

[MrWayne]

He def got shafted. But it's understandable. I hope he has a role in Black Panther 2. To see his redemption.

I'm fine with it... The bromance was getting a bit too much lol
Just odd all the Steve/Bucky thing was dropped. They didn't even think to give them a proper fight scene together fighting side by side to bring things full circle.

 

[MrWayne]

Great point. But isn't it that the directors wanted to downplay the homoerotic tones (that fans seemingly picked up on) between Cap and Bucky. That's why we got so much mention of Peggy haha.

I too think this had something to do with it. The way they made their friendship seem like Steve was in love with Bucky. Hence all the online fandoms and shipping lmfao

 

[sueb1863]

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Going from "Steve and Bucky are best friends who'd die for each other" to "Steve acts like he barely knows Bucky, has no reaction to seeing Bucky alive after five years thinking he might never see him again, and giving him only one quick, cursory hug before maybe leaving forever" seems like a pretty sharp 180 turn.

Was at least a smile at seeing Bucky show up at the end really too much to ask? We saw Tony crush Peter Parker in a hug and they'd only known each other for a short time.

 

[Iceman]

He def got shafted. But it's understandable. I hope he has a role in Black Panther 2. To see his redemption.

Yes. I hope he has a greater part in Black Panther 2 as The White Wolf.

 

[KevTravels]

if they were afraid of that they shouldnt have included the "first openly gay character in MCU history" in the beginning of the movie. They can make a friendship with no undertones. Just look at Cap's interaction with all the characters. He just shares a different bond with Bucky because they're best friends

Also his relationship with Bucky is special because he's one of his original friends from the 40's. Its not like his relationship with Sam

If i was frozen in time and awoken 70 years later with no connection to anyone I knew, I'd definitely be more attached to a person from that time if they were to come back

I'm not defending their decision. I'm only stating what they brought up in regards to the Bucky/Steve storyline and how fans read a lot into it. "Gay Panic" I believe its called with regard to tv/films. As such, they might have feared a backlash from some.

 

[KevTravels]

I'm fine with it... The bromance was getting a bit too much lol
Just odd all the Steve/Bucky thing was dropped. They didn't even think to give them a proper fight scene together fighting side by side to bring things full circle.

I agree with you. It's kinda annoying he wasn't fighting next to him in either IW or Endgame. Same with Bucky not even fighting with the Wakandans. This should have been emphasized more in the action sequence for IW.

 

[DKDetective]

Anyone else love the fact that they went back to the longer 40s hairstyle for Steve in this movie?

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I know that technically it was necessary due to the time travel back to Avengers 1, but it will always look the best and most iconically Steve Rogers to me. I get that the spiky hair from Winter Soldier through Civil War made sense for Cap's arc of trying to adapt and fit in modern times, but it just didn't look as good on Evans.

 

[Iceman]

I was very excited when Tony gives back the Shield to Steve. It was a pivotal moment for their relationship.

Yes, really glad we got this.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[DKDetective]

Anyone else think the Avengers 1 costume looked surprisingly better this time around? I don't know if it got TDKR-style tweaks or if they just shot it differently, but I found it a lot more flattering.

 

[Kane52630]

It's not as blue as before.

 

[The Duh]

The Avengers 1 costume is okay without the helmet.

 

[Bren]

Agreed. While I still prefer all the other suits, the Avengers suit sans helmet was, maybe a little better than okay.

 

[Golgo-13]

In TWS, Peggy says something about Cap looking so young. I know she had dementia but that line in hindsight with Endgame would indicate that she had seen Cap when he was old; ala the one who travels back in time and lives out his life with her.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Anyone else think the Avengers 1 costume looked surprisingly better this time around? I don't know if it got TDKR-style tweaks or if they just shot it differently, but I found it a lot more flattering.

I think they made some changes to the cowl. It doesn't look so...puffy? Yeah. I immediately thought it looked better in this scene and that it was a definite upgrade. If it had looked like that from the start, I wouldn't have minded him keeping that suit (but the scaled Endgame suit is by far the best).

 

[The Guard]

So is Bucky still on the run then, or...