Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

[Iceman]

I haven't seen Quantumania yet so I can't really say anything, but the Avengers films are special.
I'm sure they are not going to rely on that one guy.

Imagine if Kang Dynasty was received similarly!

 

[DyeLorean]

I think the fact they managed to get one good movie after great movie after good movie after great movie is already pretty remarkable and overall almost impossible for a major studio.

They are not used to getting mediocre reception. At best, this is gonna help them not rest in their laurels.

 

[Iceman]

I think the fact they managed to get one good movie after great movie after good movie after great movie is already pretty remarkable and overall almost impossible for a major studio.

They are not used to getting mediocre reception. At best, this is gonna help them not rest in their laurels.

I hope they’re fully aware that the TV side isn’t blowing problem away either.

 

[DyeLorean]

I hope they’re fully aware that the TV side isn’t blowing problem away either.

I think Kevin Feige was somehow pushed by Disney into making shows for the new streaming platform and by the some of the things he said in the Quantumania Red Carpet, he knows they can do better and not give the audience 39 projects in one year.

 

[psylockolussus]

Imagine if Kang Dynasty was received similarly!

Which is scary especially we haven't had a new Avengers in a long while.

It'd be as notorious as Spider-Man 3, BVS, Justice League and X-Men 3. It simply cannot fail especially after Endgame.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think Kevin Feige was somehow pushed by Disney into making shows for the new streaming platform and by the some of the things he said in the Quantumania Red Carpet, he knows they can do better and not give the audience 39 projects in one year.

I just don't see how could there be shows for Agatha Harkness, Loki and Echo if it wasn't for Disney+.

Personally speaking I could live without the Marvel shows as they aren't very good. And it also takes time from these films having better quality control. Its hard enough to oversee 1 movie, what about add 7 shows while they are at it....

 

[Iceman]

Which is scary especially we haven't had a new Avengers in a long while.

It'd be as notorious as Spider-Man 3, BVS, Justice League and X-Men 3. It simply cannot fail especially after Endgame.

An Avengers film being a full on disappointment (talking way beyond AoU level) would suddenly bring doubt to the MCU brand after all this time in a way solos failing wouldn't do.

 

[psylockolussus]

An Avengers film being a full on disappointment (talking way beyond AoU level) would suddenly bring doubt to the MCU brand after all this time in a way solos failing wouldn't do.

Its going to be a dire situation when its worse than Age of Ultron.

FoXverse is over. DCEU is ending. SonyVerse is crumbling. All we have left is MCU.

All faith will be lost when we could no longer count on MCU.

 

[Kev4000]

I just don't see how could there be shows for Agatha Harkness, Loki and Echo if it wasn't for Disney+.

I still dont see the need for an Echo project in general. No one cared about her and her storyline in Hawkeye.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean no one is making you watch Echo, if you don't like Echo.

My problem with Echo is they tied her origin to Hawkeye instead of Daredevil. I really enjoyed the storyline in Daredevil that introduced her and her romance with Matt, it was interesting.

 

[TheVileOne]

I hope they’re fully aware that the TV side isn’t blowing problem away either.

There is clearly a problem with the VFX houses that needs to be addressed. Also, those workers need to unionize already. Studios aren't going to do it for them.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Kevin Feige was somehow pushed by Disney into making shows for the new streaming platform and by the some of the things he said in the Quantumania Red Carpet, he knows they can do better and not give the audience 39 projects in one year.

There's no reason a lot of those shows, ie Moon Knight, couldn't have been better. Also some of those shows were highly critically acclaimed, ie Ms. Marvel, WandaVision, Werewolf By Night, and Loki.

Just by law of averages, you cannot hit a homerun every time you are at bat. I don't think this is the death knell everyone is claiming it is.

 

[DyeLorean]

There's no reason a lot of those shows, ie Moon Knight, couldn't have been better. Also some of those shows were highly critically acclaimed, ie Ms. Marvel, WandaVision, Werewolf By Night, and Loki.

Just by law of averages, you cannot hit a homerun every time you are at bat. I don't think this is the death knell everyone is claiming it is.

True, I don't believe any of the shows are "bad" but I do think most of them didn't feel like TV shows but movies cut into 6 pieces.
If you look at something like, I don't know let's say Better Call Saul, in one episode of that show you get character development, the story moves forward, there's a beginning, middle and end... it feels complete. It feels like a chapter, a true episode of a bigger story. A random episode is as meatier as any other one. Even a serialized show like Lost managed to have complete arcs within an episode.

Take any episode of a Marvel show and is like watching 20 minutes in the middle of a movie. They still couldn't figure out how to take advantage of the medium.

 

[psylockolussus]

I mean no one is making you watch Echo, if you don't like Echo.

My problem with Echo is they tied her origin to Hawkeye instead of Daredevil. I really enjoyed the storyline in Daredevil that introduced her and her romance with Matt, it was interesting.

But I am completist who watches every Marvel live action show and who knows if there are cameos in that show.

So it feels like a chore when catching up to these shows.

 

[psylockolussus]

There's no reason a lot of those shows, ie Moon Knight, couldn't have been better. Also some of those shows were highly critically acclaimed, ie Ms. Marvel, WandaVision, Werewolf By Night, and Loki.

Just by law of averages, you cannot hit a homerun every time you are at bat. I don't think this is the death knell everyone is claiming it is.

Not when they have two rotten ratings already... is it really coincidental the period they are producing their own shows, its when they got 2 rotten rating for their films in less than 2 years... thats alarming for a series that had 25 consecutive films that never hit below 60%.

Marvel Studios really cannot hit a homerun when they are splitting their time to a dozen of projects at the same time. Thats like eXpecting someone to do well when they are taking 5 degrees at the same time... so imo some of these projects have got to go or else they would be more misses than hits.

 

[TheVileOne]

Not when they have two rotten ratings already... is it really coincidental the period they are producing their own shows, its when they got 2 rotten rating for their films in less than 2 years... thats alarming for a series that had 25 consecutive films that never hit below 60%.

Marvel Studios really cannot hit a homerun when they are splitting their time to a dozen of projects at the same time. Thats like eXpecting someone to do well when they are taking 5 degrees at the same time... so imo some of these projects have got to go or else they would be more misses than hits.

Why not? Technically they have multiple times already.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why not? Technically they have multiple times already.

During the Infinity Saga, they juggled projects pretty well.

Not with the Multiverse Saga though, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Eternals and Quantumania both scored higher than 60%. Also i have issues with their shows as most of them stretched a single storyline for 6 to 9 episodes, and would have been better if they were told in more or less 2 hours.

 

[TheVileOne]

During the Infinity Saga, they juggled projects pretty well.

Not with the Multiverse Saga though, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Eternals and Quantumania both scored higher than 60%. Also i have issues with their shows as most of them stretched a single storyline for 6 to 9 episodes, and would have been better if they were told in more or less 2 hours.

Those are just one metric. If the majority of them are successful and getting high marks from critics, then isn't that a success? Perfection is an illusion.

 

[psylockolussus]

Those are just one metric. If the majority of them are successful and getting high marks from critics, then isn't that a success? Perfection is an illusion.

Well the reviews are important and from the looks of it, Quantumania is dropping like a rock at the boX office. This can't be good in the long run if Marvel Studios continue this path. Something has to change.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Ant-Man: Quantumania Writer on Negative Reviews: Sad and Surprised - Variety

“I’m like, ‘Goddamn! No, [the reviews] are wrong! I’m right! MODOK is great!’” he said of watching the film on opening weekend. “I’m pretty happy with it overall, and I think I learned how to take a punch this week. And now that I learned that it’s not too bad, I can just get on with making things.”

OMG, this makes me even more worried for Kang Dynasty.

I am baffled as to why they gave this Jimmy Kimmel writer an Avengers movie to write. Marcus and McFeely had to write THREE awesome Captain America movies before they got to write Infinity War and Endgame after Joss Whedon left. Even Whedon had to have experience creating Buffy and Firefly and being a revered geek name before he got hired to write/direct Avengers.

 

[psylockolussus]

I am baffled as to why they gave this Jimmy Kimmel writer an Avengers movie to write. Marcus and McFeely had to write THREE awesome Captain America movies before they got to write Infinity War and Endgame after Joss Whedon left. Even Whedon had to have experience creating Buffy and Firefly and being a revered geek name before he got hired to write/direct Avengers.

They obviously didn't eXpect Quantumania to be received terribly by the critiX.

And that a big movie like this, needs to be developed as soon as possible. So they probably just went with someone who's currently working with them.

Lets just hope they bring someone else in to work with the story and screenplay for Kang Dynasty.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Wow.

So they really had Michael Douglas preach the benefits of socialism using ants? Disney/Marvel just can't help themselves can they? Give me a freaking break.

After finally watching this - all I can say is it's a mindless Saturday morning cartoon with expensive/unfinished CGI. It's not a true turd like Thor: L&T - but it neither moves a needle for the MCU nor will it be considered one of their memorable entries. "Don't be a dick" sums up the level of eye roll that ensued in the 3rd act - especially some of the things Scott was shouting at Kang as he went big. To be fair I did generally like MODOK.

The only redeeming quality was the world building with fun Quantum characters (like that telepath). That was it even though it was probably some of Marvel's best if not the best. They really screwed up introducing Kang the Conqueror in an Antman film. I like Jonathan Majors as an actor but his performance is drastically overstated. Not sure that's entirely his fault given the screenplay, but here really wasn't much difference there than most MCU baddies. Thanos set the bar and it's going to be really hard hitting that note again.

 

[metaphysician]

She was anti-mandate, not anti-vax. That's a big difference. She said she had no problem with vaccines but didn't think people should be penalized (lose their jobs, work benefits, or ability to just do normal, everyday activities) for not wanting to take vaccines they were unsure about.

"Anti-Mandate" *is* Anti-Vax. Especially in the context of a pandemic, where your baseless doubts cause other people to get sick and die.

 

[metaphysician]

Right and its childish to want her fired or removed just because you disagree with their political views.

It is absolutely not childish to insist people show actual consideration for the health and life of those around them.

 

[JtheDreamer]

It is absolutely not childish to insist people show actual consideration for the health and life of those around them.

Take this stuff somewhere else please. There's a separate forum for it on this site.