Yikes. Some interesting statements to impact here regarding Fisher vs Whedon.
1) I'm saying this as someone who's experienced direct and systemic racism as a black man all their lifee, bringing up the current political climate in regards to racism and BLM as it pertains to this Fisher/Whedon thing is clownery. At least at this time. To my knowledge, we haven't heard anything of Whedon specifically being racist. So why bring it up? I was on here the moment that first Fisher tweet came out and from the jump a bunch on Snyderites claimed racism and when pressed if they know the details they said, and I'm paraphrasing "I don't know that that happened, but you can insinuate". I expect that from those kind of posters, but I find this thread for the most part pretty level headed. And it's a clown move to bring BLM, racism, etc. about this particular instance at this stage when we know so little.
2) I have seen a few try and push this narrative lately and I don't get it. This narrative that Snyder is this huge hated director or something along those lines.
Snyder is not well liked, no doubt, and there are people who bash him. For sure. But "a war on Snyder" is so overly dramatic. If you're gonna use that then I don't know what you'd call what happens with M. NIght, Michael Bay, George Lucas, Uwe Boll, Tyler Perry (not so much anymore but still), Paul Feig, and to a lesser extent Rian Johnson. Those guys are HAAAAATED online. They can't scratch their nose without people getting mad at them. I just don't see anywhere near that level of hate or vitrol for Snyder as a person as I do with those examples I named above. If it's there it's not a very sizable group of people. And I'm on Twitter, Reddit, IG, and here. Especially not enough for a majority or even a sizeable amount of people to say "Fisher is friends with Snyder so I'm gonna believe Whedon because **** Snyder" Again, a couple weeks ago someone in this thread someone came in saying that we were acting like the Snyder Cut hurt our family (or something along those lines). When that simply isn't true. People don't like it or don't wanna watch it, sure. But most said despite their criticism their gonna watch it and/or they didn't insult other who will. I don't get why people are trying to act like it is
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@kguillou said, the only reason we're talking about this is because Fisher keeps bringing it up. We all kinda move on for some time and then, low and behold, Fisher makes another post or statement about it. And all his statements have been very vague and very open-ended. It's like his whole life online now this "Accountability>>entertainment" thing. Which is a great thing to be about, but it seems weird how he's carrying it with his own experience. From ignoring co stars who have their own accountability issues to him being vague and refusing to give more details saying "I have an NDA." It's just very off
NDA's are so easily broken btw. Not publicly maybe, but you know there are whistle blowers, off the record sources, etc. So even if it wasn't Fisher himself, someone would've let something spill. I'm sure all these Ellen co workers/ex workers had signed NDAs, I'm sure
people on the set of SMILF had NDAs. Hell with Fan4stic we all heard so many rumors about Trank. With Joss Whedon on the JL set, I don't think we have anything really other than he was dismissive of the Snyder stuff. Which yeah unprofessional doesn't call for all of this.
4) You can't be mad about people not really taking Fisher seriously when he's being so vague. That is such a big thing with MeToo, people saying we don't have al lthe details and stuff like that. But in this case, we have no first hand details. The best we have is what Kevin Smith heard.
I've said before, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Whedon probably was unprofessional on set. Was he "abusive" or "toxic" idk but it seems very weird to me that we haven't heard really anything serious. Not even a concrete rumor (or as concrete as rumors can be). I've said I never was that big of a fan of Whedon and I always thought his feminism stuff was pretty reductive to "my women kick ass." I also find it very telling that a) nobody on set has come to his defense b)
Berg didn't deny Whedon was acting up. He just covered himself on Johns c) Whedon isn't even defending himself. It doesn't matter if he doesn't know the specifics, I find it weird that he isn't defending himself in anyway after being called "abusive"
That being said I'm not gonna jump out the window and ostracize Whedon for this when none of the claims are even being detailed at all. We'll see. I feel like if there was a huge story about what happened on the JL set we would've heard by now or very soon. I remember when Chris D'Elia got outed, you saw chatter online that Bryan Callen was next. And then just this past weekend, a month after D'Elia Callen was outed. It's been about a month since FIsher sent out that initial tweet. If there's a story, a major trade or publication will be posting it soon.
And even if Whedon was abusive, Fisher is also gonna look like a real doof if he stands by and is on panels or buddy buddy with Ezra Miller, Ben Affleck, or anybody that stands by them too. So I hope he keeps that same energy. After all, it's "Accountability>>entertainment" right?
