The Superhero Cinematic Civil War

[Lily Adler]

I think so, but who knows if they get that far. They haven't even done Anti-Venom yet lol

They'll probably just skip Anti-Venom and go straight to Toxin and Scream.

 

[Bayne]

EDIT: And I will always maintain that Raimi's version of Venom was much closer to the spirit of the books than Hardy's. I really think the reason Venom was received so poorly in Spider-Man 3 was because of Topher's casting. Had Raimi hired a different actor with a bit more of a naturally sinister edge, I believe his version of Venom might have been much more warmly received.

Absolutely. That version of Venom was terrible but there wasn't anything in particular wrong with the writing (at least, no moreso than the rest of the trilogy which I never liked the tone and style of to begin with).

It's just impossible to take Topher Grace seriously in the role. The only time in his entire career that he actually pulled off `scary' was in Predators when they leaned into him being a psycho who was great at pretending to be helpless until you let your guard down so he could stab you in the back.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Didn't anti-woke crowd start embracing Sydney Sweeney like a week ago? That's impressively fast work from those decadent weirdos in Hollywood.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They'll probably just skip Anti-Venom and go straight to Toxin and Scream.

Toxin was already hinted at last movie cause the cop already seemed symbiote infected. So I don't see Eddie ever getting Toxin unless it's for a brief bit in an action scene. Scream may be in it though, but then we also have Chiwetel Ejiofor in this and he is probably the main villain. Whoever that is lol

 

[Deck Rickard]

Chiwetel Ejiofor is in Venom 3? Ugh. I hate the way the MCU has pretty much sidelined him and now he’s taking roles in the Sony MarvAdjacent Universe. He deserves better than both.

 

[chamber-music]

And regarding Peltz, it’s like I’ve been saying for a while now. It really breaks my heart to see how powerful white people stole the term ‘woke’ and now use it as a code for the n-word.

Just racist, rich and dumb.

Everything out of Peltz mouth is like the worst boomer hot takes.

I have negative interest in Venom in the comics and always have. I've never enjoyed a single "serious" Venom story. They're just a vehicle for Tom Hardy to be a weirdo which I am wildly more interested in than more conventional superhero/villain stuff even if the movies obviously aren't good by normal movie standards.

Tom Hardy do slap stick physical comedy is why these Venom movies are worth watching. Tom Hardy playing around with a lobster is more entertaining than a lot of other superhero movie scenes.

Chiwetel Ejiofor is in Venom 3? Ugh. I hate the way the MCU has pretty much sidelined him and now he’s taking roles in the Sony MarvAdjacent Universe. He deserves better than both.

Venom movies having some very talented actors wasted in lame roles is the hallmark of this franchise Michelle Williams, Riz Ahmed, Woody Harrelson, Naomie Harris, Stephen Graham and Juno Temple.

 

[Drizzle]

Me seeing the Venom slander in here

 

[Lily Adler]

Chiwetel Ejiofor is in Venom 3? Ugh. I hate the way the MCU has pretty much sidelined him and now he’s taking roles in the Sony MarvAdjacent Universe. He deserves better than both.

Dude was wasted as a Hell demon in Dr. Strange? No wonder I couldn't place him in the MCU.

 

[Sithborg]

So an animated R-rated Venom movie is fine but giving Let There Be Carnage an R rating was a bridge too far?

Sony, Sony, Sony...

I mean, it didn't start as an R rated franchise. So, they probably didn't want to rock the boat. Plus, you know, they hoped to get it into China. I am still curious about their China cut/translation.

I like Hardy as Venom. 2nd best superhero performance right now? That's not a hill I can join on. But I do enjoy him in the role a lot

What can compete with perfection.

Isn't Toxin more of an ally or at least like Venom.

Depends on the run.

Doesn't Toxin's host die and he bonds with Eddie at one point?

He was in Remender's run, which I highly recommend if just to get you off the "Venom=Eddie" train of thought.

 

[Drizzle]

I mean, it didn't start as an R rated franchise. So, they probably didn't want to rock the boat. Plus, you know, they hoped to get it into China. I am still curious about their China cut/translation.

True, I just wish they had played with the idea of an R-rated movie with Carnage without having to worry about watering it down in a Spider-Man movie.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

True, I just wish they had played with the idea of an R-rated movie with Carnage without having to worry about watering it down in a Spider-Man movie.

An R-Rated Carnage movie and letting Woody keep that original red wig from the first movie would’ve slapped bro.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Eh, Carnage isn't a character that needs a movie. It would just be un uncomfortable killing spree movie like The Devil's Rejects, and I aint into that lol

I remember watching The Devil's Rejects with my brother, one of my friends, my friends then GF and one of her friends, and both the girls at the end were crying for the killers at the end of movie, and both my bro and I were looking at each other like "Yeah, we have to go now...." and I wasn't into those kind of torture porn movies even then, but especially after that experience....nah I am good sitting those out

 

[DA_Champion]

I really enjoyed Venom, but perhaps it's partly because I have not read any of the good comics stories.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Prayers answered?

 

[Drizzle]

I like the idea of revisiting the Spider-Man animated series but I don't think they need to get carried away with giving the other Marvel animated series from the '90s the X-Men '97 treatment. The love and nostalgia for the X-Men and Spider-Man series is on a significantly higher pedestal than the Fantastic Four, Iron Man and Hulk shows.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Yeah I would keep it as just X-Men and Spider-Man continuations and bring the other Marvel heroes in the shows as guest stars.

Keep it cute Marvel. Yall doing good with ‘97 though.

 

[Sithborg]

It sucks, because the VASTLY superior show is right there.

 

[Drizzle]

It sucks, because the VASTLY superior show is right there.

Oh, you mean this guy?



I wouldn't be surprised if Spectacular gets revisited in some incarnation, especially after the cameo in ATSV. It's not like there are many other past Marvel cartoons that are as highly revered.

 

[Link]

Marvel and Star Wars shows on Disney Plus haven't really captivated me in a while, but man, 97 has me in a chokehold. I was ready for episode 3 days ago lol.

 

[Iceman]

I completely see your point, Deckster

I can appreciate the Hardy films as goofy harmless fun, but I can totally see how true fans of the Venom character would have serious issues with those movies.

I actually brought this point up awhile ago in a Spider-Man thread. I remember it being somewhat polarizing at the time but what the hell, that's never stopped me before

Venom is one of the primary reasons I live in hope that Disney/Marvel will eventually get the rights to Spider-Man back. Again I enjoy watching the first two Venom movies for the cheesy fun they are, but the bottom line is that many of Spidey's villains don't make sense thematically when you remove them from the Spider-Man mythos. While I acknowledge that Venom isn't necessarily dependent on Spider-Man in the comics anymore, I do think that for an origin story there's something missing if you skip straight to Eddie being the first to have the symbiote and bypass Peter entirely, as the Sony films have done.

Venom was a character born of rage, frustration, humiliation, rejection, jealousy, scorn, and vengeance, all of it revolving around Peter/Spider-Man where Brock and the symbiote were concerned. Remove all that and he's no longer the true Venom from the books...

Anyway I have a sneaking suspicious that the third Venom film won't approach the box office of the first two. After all, the question now is how will Sony create additional excitement for the franchise after having already blown their mother lode by using Venom's most famous antagonist, Carnage? Who will be the villain in Venom 3? Riot? Scream?

I'd be very surprised if the Hardy franchise continues after this third installment. However, my box office predictions have been so far off the mark lately that it's not even funny. I'm prepared to be humiliated once again

EDIT: And I will always maintain that Raimi's version of Venom was much closer to the spirit of the books than Hardy's. I really think the reason Venom was received so poorly in Spider-Man 3 was because of Topher's casting. Had Raimi hired a different actor with a bit more of a naturally sinister edge, I believe his version of Venom might have been much more warmly received.

On the last point (the edit), the Hardy Venom films are an absolute essential comedy part of my life at this point, but I wouldn't mind also seeing a more horror-style Venom that is very hard to stop and kill off in a serious Spidey film. Obviously if you want that to be at all believable you also need to cast Brock as someone very different to Topher Grace (the dude playing Flint Marko was right there ).

 

[Cap2024]

Prayers answered?

I think Spidey is going to be in an episode.

I forgot who the 97 interview was with. But the interviewer brought up how the X-Men had many cameos from other heroes such as those who had their own show and questioned if the same might occur in 97. The answer was that they would be pleasantly surprised.

While that may be anyone and for whatever reason, it seems like something with someone is in store. I wouldn’t be surprised if that someone is Spidey.

 

[Spidey_62]

The episodes of '90s Spidey where he meets the X-Men are so fun, would be good seeing him show up in their show this time (I know his hand had a cameo in the OG series, I mean a proper appearance lol). Beyond that, yeah, if X-Men '97 keeps up the quality and buzz it seems like an easy decision as the desire will only continue to grow.

Before X-Men '97 was announced the 90s animated X-merch started trickling in and it began to be a rumor that it was a thing Marvel was developing, then after that 90s animated Spidey merch has started trickling in, and... could be a pattern.

 

[Kane52630]

Me seeing the Venom slander in here

 

[Spider-Fan]

Prayers answered?

Give it to me!

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It sucks, because the VASTLY superior show is right there.

I'm enjoying '97 a lot but Spectacular is the only Marvel cartoon with a particularly creatively justifiable reason to bring it back. The 97 style revival is cute to do for an old show once, Spectacular is a great series that was cut severely short so I'd be down for it to be brought back but apart from that I'd really rather they do new takes rather than revive old ones.