No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Dominate426]

When you say things like "making the cut about himself" you sound like an entitled fanboy. The dude is just an editor, he has no skin in the game. Yeah they could have added all these other scenes back in but would they have really made the movie better? Or would it have just padded out an already mediocre movie? The editor even said himself, had Raimi had full control he probably would have made SM3 even shorter than it was.

Ultimately SM3's biggest issue is it's story/script. This isn't a situation of them filming this great movie that got butchered in post. Adding all these scenes back in the movie isn't gonna fix anything if you have a poor foundation to begin with.

And I say all this as someone who wanted an "extended" cut of SM3 back in 2007.

How does that sound entitled when these Alternate/Extended Cuts are made for the fans of the movie in the first place (and to get more money out of them)?! We don't know if they would've made the movie better or not because these scenes are still hidden. All of the material in Spider-Man 2.1 were cut from the Theatrical Version for pacing and other reasons but they still made that version but when it comes to Spider-Man 3 (the one movie where fans wanted a longer version of the movie and are still talking about the deleted scenes to this day), they care about the runtime and pacing all of a sudden? Give me a break . Waiting 10 Years to get THAT with no possibility of another version is complete BS and the Novelization was better than both versions of the movie.

 

[Venom 1988]

How does that sound entitled when these Alternate/Extended Cuts are made for the fans of the movie in the first place (and to get more money out of them)?! We don't know if they would've made the movie better or not because these scenes are still hidden. All of the material in Spider-Man 2.1 were cut from the Theatrical Version for pacing and other reasons but they still made that version but when it comes to Spider-Man 3 (the one movie where fans wanted a longer version of the movie and are still talking about the deleted scenes to this day), they care about the runtime and pacing all of a sudden? Give me a break . Waiting 10 Years to get THAT with no possibility of another version is complete BS and the Novelization was better than both versions of the movie.

If you really lack the self-realization to not see how you are acting like a entitled fanboy, then I don't know what to tell you. The existence for Spider-Man 2.1 was solely to drum up hype for SM3 and to make more money...that's it. And in all honestly it is an inferior version to the original movie. None of the scenes added in made the movie better and in some cases it made it worse (the elevator scene comes to mind). These were all deleted for a reason. And the same can be said for this new release of NWH.

But let's just say you're right. That these scenes are gold and their inclusion in the movie would have been awesome. It doesn't change the fact that the story is still mediocre and overstuffed. It doesn't change the portrayals of any of the actors. You're just simply making an average movie longer for the sake of it. You're going to be stuck in a situation where the the whole IS NOT greater than the sum of it's parts.

To make Spider-Man 3 a better movie would be having the foresight to go back to the drawing board while the movie was still in development.

 

[Dominate426]

If you really lack the self-realization to not see how you are acting like a entitled fanboy, then I don't know what to tell you. The existence for Spider-Man 2.1 was solely to drum up hype for SM3 and to make more money...that's it. And in all honestly it is an inferior version to the original movie. None of the scenes added in made the movie better and in some cases it made it worse (the elevator scene comes to mind). These were all deleted for a reason. And the same can be said for this new release of NWH.

Being disappointed in a cut of a movie and not agreeing with the direction they took (and them also closing the door on future versions) does not make me an entitled fanboy. I really don't see why it was so hard to do a cut that was a mixture of the Editor's Cut/Spider-Man 3.1 with the original Christopher Young score restored back into the movie (which was the main thing the Editor cared about anyway) especially if this is the only opportunity we are going to get regarding an Alternate Cut for Spider-Man 3. Sorry I'm not a mindless sheep who likes everything Sony throws at me lol.

Thank you for proving my point on Spider-Man 2.1 and No Way Home as to why it makes zero sense for them to be worried about giving Spider-Man 3 (the one movie where fans WANTED an Extended Cut for) the same treatment for its 10 Year Anniversary!

Terminator 2 Extended Cuts are also inferior to the Theatrical, The Town's Extended Cut is inferior, DOFP Extended Cut is inferior. Superman The Movie, Who cares?! Extended Cuts are still a fun and interesting way to see a movie that you are already a fan of. They are usually never made with the intention of changing how people feel about a certain movie.

Quite honestly, I prefer the More Fun Stuff Version of No Way Home over the Theatrical. How you feel about them is YOUR OPINION. Alot of people prefer 2.1 over the Theatrical Spider-Man 2.

But let's just say you're right. That these scenes are gold and their inclusion in the movie would have been awesome. It doesn't change the fact that the story is still mediocre and overstuffed. It doesn't change the portrayals of any of the actors. You're just simply making an average movie longer for the sake of it. You're going to be stuck in a situation where the the whole IS NOT greater than the sum of it's parts.

Or maybe I never had an issue with the story or the performances to begin with and I just want to see a longer version of the movie. I like how you claim Spider-Man 3 is overstuffed but then you think Spider-Man 3 isn't justified in having a longer runtime. That makes zero sense! This same editor did the recent Doctor Strange movie with Raimi with all of this multiverse stuff and what was two of the biggest complaints about that movie? It was messy and it was too short! What have fans been clamoring for since the release of that movie? An Extended Cut but you probably have an issue with that as well lol.

To make Spider-Man 3 a better movie would be having the foresight to go back to the drawing board while the movie was still in development.

Most people who want a Spider-Man 3 Extended Cut are ALREADY FANS OF THE MOVIE! You don't see people who hate Spider-Man 3 clamoring for a Director's Cut!

 

[Venom 1988]

This is the last post I'm gonna make on this because you are clearly too attached to your feelings on this matter to have an actual normal discussion about this. But I do need to point out some things.

Being disappointed in a cut of a movie and not agreeing with the direction they took (and them also closing the door on future versions) does not make me an entitled fanboy.

You are absolutely right. You are totally allowed to have the opinions you do and that is fine, that doesn't make you an entitled fanboy. But when you think you are owed anything beyond what they have released, to the point of insulting the editor, claiming he is being selfish and not giving what the fans want, then you are acting like an entitled fanboy. Is that what he is doing? No, he just being paid to do a job, he doesn't have some agenda or vendetta against the fans.

Sorry I'm not a mindless sheep who likes everything Sony throws at me lol.

I...didn't say you were? And I'm not either. I've literally been criticizing Sony on these very boards for the last 15 years lol.

Thank you for proving my point on Spider-Man 2.1 and No Way Home as to why it makes zero sense for them to be worried about giving Spider-Man 3 (the one movie where fans WANTED an Extended Cut for) the same treatment for its 10 Year Anniversary!

They did, you just didn't like what they gave you. And I didn't either for the record. I'm just not going to berate anyone involved about it every moment I get because Sony is gonna Sony at this point. Would I be open to watching an extended cut of SM3 if they were to ever release one? Of course. Would I potentially be open to the idea that there's a version of the movie that could change my opinion on the matter? Yeah absolutely. But I'm not gonna hold my breath it ever getting released, cause again Sony is gonna Sony.

Or maybe I never had an issue with the story or the performances to begin with and I just want to see a longer version of the movie. I like how you claim Spider-Man 3 is overstuffed but then you think Spider-Man 3 isn't justified in having a longer runtime.

I didn't say it wasn't justified in a longer runtime, I just said it wasn't going to fix the core issues of the movie. You can have a longer movie and still have an overstuffed script.

This same editor did the recent Doctor Strange movie with Raimi with all of this multiverse stuff and what was two of the biggest complaints about that movie? It was messy and it was too short! What have fans been clamoring for since the release of that movie? An Extended Cut but you probably have an issue with that as well lol.

No I actually do think an extended cut of MoM would be beneficial. The story was fine, but the pacing is a bit too quick in areas and glosses over some things that would actually benefit from some breathing room to flesh things out. But that's an entirely different discussion.

Most people who want a Spider-Man 3 Extended Cut are ALREADY FANS OF THE MOVIE! You don't see people who hate Spider-Man 3 clamoring for a Director's Cut!

I am a fan of the movie...and I also think it's not a good movie either. I know crazy right? To like something despite it's glaring flaws. And you seem to think I'm against the ideas of extended or director cuts of movies. I'm not, unless it's just a cheap cash grab. In fact I literally just said I wanted one for SM3 in the past in one of my previous posts. But I'm just not going to obsess about it or insult the creators involved. Hence why I originally said..."That's certainly an odd take."

 

[Spider-Fan]

What madness did I walk into, lol! I would love to see an Extended Cut of Spider-Man 3. I would be super stoked for it. But at this point it has been like 15 years now. If you still think it will happen one day, well then you are waiting for Godot. I don't really think at this point it is worth wasting energy on it.

 

[Superhero 101]

So the movie grossed 2 billion??

 

[Dominate426]

What madness did I walk into, lol! I would love to see an Extended Cut of Spider-Man 3. I would be super stoked for it. But at this point it has been like 15 years now. If you still think it will happen one day, well then you are waiting for Godot. I don't really think at this point it is worth wasting energy on it.

Me ranting on how much I hate the Editor's Cut after a topic about deleted scenes for Spider-Man movies.

Imagine waiting all these years for a Spider-Man 3.1, it gets leaked out in 2017 that one is FINALLY coming in a new Trilogy release, it becomes your most anticipated thing that year (even over Homecoming) despite Sony never making an official announcement, you finally see it after it leaks on Amazon during Memorial Day Weekend and it's hardly any different than the Theatrical Version (and it's two minutes shorter). Then you read stuff from somebody who emailed him about the cut (5 years ago and recently) where he implies that he could've put more in but chose not to because in his opinion the movie is better shorter and that this will be it in terms of cuts for Spider-Man 3. You would be irritated too if you were as invested into this cut as I was.

There is a movement on Twitter but Sony will just ignore it since they released the Editor's Cut (which they are obviously indifferent towards too because they left it off the recent Trilogy release they did around the time NWH came out)

 

[Spider-Fan]

Me ranting on how much I hate the Editor's Cut after a topic about deleted scenes for Spider-Man movies.

Imagine waiting all these years for a Spider-Man 3.1, it gets leaked out in 2017 that one is FINALLY coming in a new Trilogy release, it becomes your most anticipated thing that year (even over Homecoming) despite Sony never making an official announcement, you finally see it after it leaks on Amazon during Memorial Day Weekend and it's hardly any different than the Theatrical Version (and it's two minutes shorter). Then you read stuff from somebody who emailed him about the cut (5 years ago and recently) where he implies that he could've put more in but chose not to because in his opinion the movie is better shorter and that this will be it in terms of cuts for Spider-Man 3. You would be irritated too if you were as invested into this cut as I was.

There is a movement on Twitter but Sony will just ignore it since they released the Editor's Cut (which they are obviously indifferent towards too because they left it off the recent Trilogy release they did around the time NWH came out)

Sure but that was 5 years ago amigo. Let it go

 

[The Caped Knight]

Update on the successful hit Spider-Man re-release for Sony.

 

[Dominate426]

Sure but that was 5 years ago amigo. Let it go

Let go of what? I hate it and I have my reasons for hating it! It sucking so badly is why those hashtags and movements on Twitter exists. We’re talking about Alternate Cuts, Deleted Scenes, and Sony so of course it’s going to be brought up.

Update on the successful hit Spider-Man re-release for Sony.

Wonder if that’s sarcasm?

As much as I enjoyed the More Fun Stuff Version. Not having Extended Action Scenes was absolutely ridiculous and them only adding 11 Minutes of new footage was a huge turn off for alot of people. How can Sony be so incompetent when it comes to Spider-Man?

 

[Dominate426]

Not sure if anybody else posted it but the runtime for the More Fun Stuff Version was 2h 35m.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Let go of what? I hate it and I have my reasons for hating it! It sucking so badly is why those hashtags and movements on Twitter exists. We’re talking about Alternate Cuts, Deleted Scenes, and Sony so of course it’s going to be brought up.


Wonder if that’s sarcasm?

As much as I enjoyed the More Fun Stuff Version. Not having Extended Action Scenes was absolutely ridiculous and them only adding 11 Minutes of new footage was a huge turn off for alot of people. How can Sony be so incompetent when it comes to Spider-Man?

Let go of the vendetta. It has been 5 years my man. Sony will maybe put out another SM3 one day. Who knows? But dwelling on it isn't healthy at this point

 

[Dominate426]

Ock and Peter originally had a longer fight. Why they didn’t restore it for the More Fun Stuff Version is beyond me.

Spider-Man: No Way Home Cut 'Way Longer' Doc Ock Fight Scene

 

[Dominate426]

Let go of the vendetta. It has been 5 years my man. Sony will maybe put out another SM3 one day. Who knows? But dwelling on it isn't healthy at this point

This is NOT a five year grudge. I was okay with the Editor's Cut at first because it was better than nothing. Only in the last year did my opinion on it change. The Editor indirectly caused all of these Twitters movements because he didn't want to put out a 2h 36m cut that fans have been petitioning for due to. His "Not in my opinion, the movie is better shorter" (his own words!) mindset but I'm considered an "entitled fanboy" by a certain user for pointing that out.

I guess the people who weren't happy with the More Fun Stuff Version and boycotting it for not including the Tobey/Dafoe rematch and having more than 11 Minutes of new footage are also entitled fanboys as well.

 

[Eggyman]

Gonna be a five year grudge in four years by the sounds of it. Don't eat your hate. Makes your soul fat.

 

[Arachnerd]

Why is this argument still going? Give it a rest already.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is NOT a five year grudge. I was okay with the Editor's Cut at first because it was better than nothing. Only in the last year did my opinion on it change. The Editor indirectly caused all of these Twitters movements because he didn't want to put out a 2h 36m cut that fans have been petitioning for due to. His "Not in my opinion, the movie is better shorter" (his own words!) mindset but I'm considered an "entitled fanboy" by a certain user for pointing that out.

I guess the people who weren't happy with the More Fun Stuff Version and boycotting it for not including the Tobey/Dafoe rematch and having more than 11 Minutes of new footage are also entitled fanboys as well.

Kind of, yeah. Sony to date at the only ones who put out ANY form of MCU extended cut. So complaining about what they didn't put into it is whining. You're lucky to even have one. Sony could have done no extended cut at all like Feige has been opting to not do since 2008.

The complaining isn't going to get you any new cuts of SM3 or NWH. The only way it happens is if they try to tie into some type of anniversary or a new movie that may make people want to see SM3 like some Raimi adjacent movie or something. Then maybe Sony has a reason to invest in a new cut of the movie. But there has to be financial incentive. The Editor's Cut happened at all cause they made a fancy new box set of the Raimi films and used it as a selling point. Petitions, Twitter, and such won't do Jack. The people who harassed WB after the Snyder Cut was released ensured no studio is caving to fan pressure again.

 

[henzINNIT]

I'm the dork who made that 3.1 petition (christ, like 8 years ago) and I am incredibly grateful for the Editor's Cut. It was better than the theatrical, gave us some new material and the original score. Seeing that at all was damn near an impossibility. The brutal truth is that extended cuts are rare, and generally only put together to cash in on popular releases. No-one is going to sell 'even more of the film you didn't love!'.

The editor was probably only named for the cut because Raimi himself wanted nothing to do with it. Claiming that he made the project about himself is insanity.

Never say never on more deleted footage one day. Sony unearthed Ghostbusters II deleted material recently after over 30 years. Don't wait on it though, and don't crap on the stuff you did get just because you wanted more.

 

[Dominate426]

Kind of, yeah. Sony to date at the only ones who put out ANY form of MCU extended cut. So complaining about what they didn't put into it is whining. You're lucky to even have one. Sony could have done no extended cut at all like Feige has been opting to not do since 2008.

The complaining isn't going to get you any new cuts of SM3 or NWH. The only way it happens is if they try to tie into some type of anniversary or a new movie that may make people want to see SM3 like some Raimi adjacent movie or something. Then maybe Sony has a reason to invest in a new cut of the movie. But there has to be financial incentive. The Editor's Cut happened at all cause they madr a fancy new box set of the Raimi films and used it as a selling point. Petitions, Twitter, and such won't do Jack. The people who harassed WB after the Snyder Cut was released ensured no studio is caving to fan pressure again.

Yeah but Snyder fans were sending death threats and review bombing other films. Spider-Man fans rarely do that. The last time they did anything close was over the face change in the video game.

I absolutely LOVE the More Fun Stuff Version and is grateful for it (feel sorry for the Doctor Strange fans) despite the lack of extended action scenes (apparently they also had a longer version of the Ock action scene on the Bridge). I still believe if they had went all out on that version as opposed to adding the scrapped deleted scenes from the Blu-Ray and calling it a day, it would've done alot better than it did.

 

[Dominate426]

Why is this argument still going? Give it a rest already.

It's not like there's any breaking news about NWH to talk about.

 

[Dominate426]

I'm the dork who made that 3.1 petition (christ, like 8 years ago) and I am incredibly grateful for the Editor's Cut. It was better than the theatrical, gave us some new material and the original score. Seeing that at all was damn near an impossibility. The brutal truth is that extended cuts are rare, and generally only put together to cash in on popular releases. No-one is going to sell 'even more of the film you didn't love!'.

The editor was probably only named for the cut because Raimi himself wanted nothing to do with it. Claiming that he made the project about himself is insanity.

Never say never on more deleted footage one day. Sony unearthed Ghostbusters II deleted material recently after over 30 years. Don't wait on it though, and don't crap on the stuff you did get just because you wanted more.

But he did. The person who emailed him asked why he didn't add more footage to make it an Extended Cut. His response was that in his opinion, the movie was better shorter.

 

[henzINNIT]

Slightly OT, but as it's being discussed; I was 'wikipedia famous' for a while on the Spider-Man 3 page. Someone had detailed the petition and named me on there. It was removed after No Way Home came out. Bummer.

But he did. The person who emailed him asked why he didn't add more footage to make it an Extended Cut. His response was that in his opinion, the movie was better shorter.

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I read this before, I'm probably in that thread somewhere*. He reverted the film to an earlier state before reshoots and other additions. He clearly wasn't asked, nor given the time to do an extensive extended edition, and most would agree that improving SM3 isn't a case of making it longer.

*Edit - You can see I liked that post in the screencap ha.

 

[Dominate426]

Slightly OT, but as it's being discussed; I was 'wikipedia famous' for a while on the Spider-Man 3 page. Someone had detailed the petition and named me on there. It was removed after No Way Home came out. Bummer.



I read this before, I'm probably in that thread somewhere*. He reverted the film to an earlier state before reshoots and other additions. He clearly wasn't asked, nor given the time to do an extensive extended edition, and most would agree that improving SM3 isn't a case of making it longer.

*Edit - You can see I liked that post in the screencap ha.

That’s not the way he implied it though. He said in an email that his goal was to restore the movie back to a version that HE preferred over the Theatrical. Why would he need more time to do an Extensive Extended Cut when they already had a cut that was close to 2:40 that he could’ve reverted back to? (IMDB and other sites had Spider-Man 3 down for a 2:36 runtime in March 2007). Why wouldn’t you give Spider-Man 3 more time to breathe with a longer runtime? That movie had massive flow issues. Imagine them trying to shorten No Way Home? We saw what happened when Raimi/Murawski tried to shorten the last Doctor Strange film and that movie was just as overstuffed as Spider-Man 3.

 

[henzINNIT]

That’s not the way he implied it though. He said in an email that his goal was to restore the movie back to a version that HE preferred over the Theatrical. Why would he need more time to do an Extensive Extended Cut when they already had a cut that was close to 2:40 that he could’ve reverted back to? (IMDB and other sites had Spider-Man 3 down for a 2:36 runtime in March 2007).

That's not how movies work. They are whittled down to what is deemed essential. The extra footage you wanted was cut earlier on in the process, likely agreed to be expendable by both Raimi and Murawski, and much further away from finished and presentable. Why not choose an earlier cut? Because the later versions were more polished. He said himself the main objective was the original score, so he likely picked the one with the score attached. Very unlikely he had the time or resources to make all the changes required to slot in new material.

 

[Dominate426]

That's not how movies work. They are whittled down to what is deemed essential. The extra footage you wanted was cut earlier on in the process, likely agreed to be expendable by both Raimi and Murawski, and much further away from finished and presentable. Why not choose an earlier cut? Because the later versions were more polished. He said himself the main objective was the original score, so he likely picked the one with the score attached. Very unlikely he had the time or resources to make all the changes required to slot in new material.

Everything in Murawski's responses points to him still releasing the version we ended up getting even if he had more time. He has said that this is his idea of that best version and he didn't want to reinstate certain scenes because he thought the movie was better without them. If that's not making the cut about himself than I don't know what is. What is this talk about polished? Extended Cuts are 9/10 never as polished as the Theatrical. Spider-Man 2.1 wasn't, The More Fun Stuff Version of No Way Home wasn't as polished (I still loved it and is grateful that it exists since Alternate Cuts are a rarity with MCU films). So why is it a requirement for Spider-Man 3?

This looks like another "agree to disagree" situation because in my viewpoint, we got cheated badly (if that makes me an Entitled Fanboy then so be it). The sad thing is that I USED to defend the Editor's Cut from people who were disappointed by it but looking back at it years later, I agree with them 100%. A Spider-Man 3.1 with the Editor's Cut structure would've been phenomenal. Such a wasted opportunity that we will never get again. All this talk about the original score being attached the Editor’s Cut, you can watch the Theatrical Version with the Editor's Cut score on the 4K Disc (the other audio tracks for the Editor’s Cut still contains alot of the score from the Theatrical)