Batman: Arkham Knight

[The Joker]

I Am the Knight mode not included in this one?

No, just New Game Plus. The thought of those tank battles on an I Am the Knight mode makes me shudder.

 

[Tanin]

I may not like going after so many trophies, but the Riddler is solid as a character in the games.

 

[Mister J]

I Am the Knight mode not included in this one?

Nada.

 

[Jick]

Good. That was a completely pointless mode. It could have been just a trophy and it would have saved me time from playing a mode that's just like NG+ all over again.

 

[Doc Samson]

You believe people of this generation have unrealistic expectations about everything. So in other words it's just an unfounded belief. You have no actual basis for this opinion other than it's something you believe.

Feel free to believe what you like. It's your right. But I knew when push came to shove you could not produce any proof from the actual criticisms of this game which showed the masses were having unrealistic expectations for it. That's all I wanted to clarify.

Because the disappointment view is the majority. It's in the reviews. I didn't make it up out of nothing. Disappointment not hate. Most people aren't calling it a bad game. Just disappointing or the weakest in the series because of the aforementioned flaws. Even I think it's a very good game. Just the weakest of the series. You mistake people thinking something is the weakest of a series, or a disappointment as automatically mean that it's bad.

You're accusing legions of people of being sheep, disliking something just because they were told it was bad, and having unrealistic expectations. If you're going to make allegations like that then there has to be a factual basis for it. You don't just conjure that up out of thin air because you can't believe people didn't love something as much as you did or what ever.

So, by me saying people are unrealistic in their expectations and yadda yadda yadda, that's something that needs to be based in fact, right? Well tell me, how can you say the "disappointment" of this game is a fact, that it being the "weakest in the series" is a fact and conclude that it's anything other than an opinion too? What's your basis? Some reviews? Whatever reviews you've seen or read, there's just as many, if not more, that say the opposite. That this game is the best in the series, or at least close to it. And what's a review in the first place? Someone's opinion about it. So nothing you've said is based on any kind of fact either, is it?

What's the fact? The only fact, is that this game is a critical and commercial success. Yes, a critical success. The only metric that you feel is justified is the same metric that sinks your argument. Because the majority of reviewers don't think this game is the worst of the series or that it's a disappointment. Being disappointed with a section of the game is not an overall feeling of being letdown by it. Actually the game you just said you feel is the best in the series is the one universally derided as the worst. So what facts do you have to dispute that?

By me saying this generation of gamers are generally spoiled and entitled, that's an opinion, but one I feel strongly about. These are the same people who complain and pout about their smartphone any time it doesn't work because they barely have any recollection of phones that only worked inside of a house. They condescend and talk about whatever system they like as if it's some kind of football team they need to cheer for, or compare graphical power like they understand what they're talking about or can really tell the difference half the time. The same people who can't even appreciate the magic of sitting in their house and playing a game with someone in another state because they don't know what a TurboGrafx-16 or Vectrex was. Hell, what a Sega Channel was.

Point being, whether fair or not, it's generally easier to amaze & impress someone who's witnessed and lived through the infancy of the gaming industry, as opposed to someone else who never touched Batman on SNES to know the difference. These types of people complain about everything, get sick of everything, and generally have no real affection or appreciation for the game industry and how far it's come. And that goes for other media, entertainment or generally anything in pop culture too. The first time I saw someone "reviewing" porn like Spielberg was behind it, I knew we were in trouble as a society.

But that's a conversation for another time. Bottomline for me, this is an amazing game on almost every technical level and it tells it's story, IMO, better than any of the previous games in the series. But do I think half the people who'll play this game wouldn't understand amazing if it smacked them in the face? Yes I do.

The Batmobile in general is the common flaw that is almost universally criticized, not just the tedious tank battles you have to do in it.

The side quests would be the second most common flaw, along with the lack of decent boss battles.

I didn't see anyone complain about having the ability to drive the Batmobile in the street, that's just ridiculous. Actually, most people critical of the tank battles said they would've preferred if the Batmobile was just an optional means of transportation, not that it should've been excluded from the game altogether.

Again, I also didn't see that much being made of the side quests, not saying you haven't, but I'd venture to guess it's far from a universal critique. Same thing with the boss battles, not everybody wanted that in there.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Doc Sampson, will you please, please stop painting us with such a broad brush and explaining to us the reasons we found the game disappointing.

It was amusing at first, but now it's simply become the same old tired rant that so many others bring forth when they refuse to understand that maybe, just maybe, some people's criticisms do contain worth beyond being 'spoilt' or 'entitled' or 'having too high expectations.'

 

[OutOfBoose]

I may not like going after so many trophies, but the Riddler is solid as a character in the games.

It feels like he has more lines than the Joker himself.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Improve to what, though? I think much like Asylum and City, there's stuff that could have been better, but people seem to like it.

Like "the Batmobile was actually pretty awesome", "some tedious stuff, yeah, but it was a blast driving that monster through the streets and using it in Riddler challenges"...

The general opinion of the game seems to be positive. The real black eye on this game was the PC disaster. But, the general opinion seems to be good about this game.

I have a feeling, PC disaster extrapolates on other flaws of the game and people over-react over relatively minor stuff because it's fun to bash the game these days for the reason stated above.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

It feels like he has more lines than the Joker himself.

He had some crackers in there:

*During his final fight* "DIE FATHER - I mean, Batman!"

And his truly insane notion after the end of the main quest that Batman, Arkham Knight, and Scarecrow have all secretly been working together to fool him the whole time, and that the entire night's events was just to lead him in the wrong direction, which is so completely crazy it shows how completely insecure he is.

 

[OutOfBoose]

He had some crackers in there:

*During his final fight* "DIE FATHER - I mean, Batman!"

And his truly insane notion after the end of the main quest that Batman, Arkham Knight, and Scarecrow have all secretly been working together to fool him the whole time, and that the entire night's events was just to lead him in the wrong direction, which is so completely crazy it shows how completely insecure he is.

IKR? Riddler got so much love in Arkham games.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

IKR? Riddler got so much love in Arkham games.

It's strange, it's not my Riddler, who generally commits crimes that don't physically hurt people, and actually is one of the smartest Batrogues, but there's still a certain charm to the Arkham version, who's so completely insecure and non-Riddlery that he engages in the most convoluted logic just to show how running a car through a race track somehow constitutes a Riddle.

 

[Doc Samson]

Doc Sampson, will you please, please stop painting us with such a broad brush and explaining to us the reasons we found the game disappointing.

It was amusing at first, but now it's simply become the same old tired rant that so many others bring forth when they refuse to understand that maybe, just maybe, some people's criticisms do contain worth beyond being 'spoilt' or 'entitled' or 'having too high expectations.'

I came in here and said I thought the game was good, and gave an opinion on why someone might be disappointed because of having an unrealistic expectation for the first Arkham game on next gen. And the Joker proceeded to tell me why my opinion was incorrect by...stating his opinion lol smh. So I'm not trying to amuse you or anyone else, and as long as I'm continually being told that it's a universal thought that this game was a disappointment, I'm going to contend that it's a false statement. And, IMO, most gamers in their mid to early 20's and under are entitled, when it comes to everything. You can scroll right past if you wish, I do it all the time...

 

[Snow Queen]

It's strange, it's not my Riddler, who generally commits crimes that don't physically hurt people, and actually is one of the smartest Batrogues, but there's still a certain charm to the Arkham version, who's so completely insecure and non-Riddlery that he engages in the most convoluted logic just to show how running a car through a race track somehow constitutes a Riddle.

Speaking of, I adored some of the Batman/Catwoman dialogue like:

[BLACKOUT]Catwoman: How is that a riddle?
Batman: You get used to it.

*later*

Catwoman: Still not a riddle, Eddie![/BLACKOUT]

 

[batfreakforever]

Yeah people always have to find a problem with a product. I love Arkham knight and have no worries with the game play or batmobile. I have the collector's edition of the ps4 game.
For some reason if you don't have something negative to say about a product people won't take you seriously.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

No, just New Game Plus. The thought of those tank battles on an I Am the Knight mode makes me shudder.

Good point.

Nada.

Exclusive to Origins, sad and joyful at once.

Good. That was a completely pointless mode. It could have been just a trophy and it would have saved me time from playing a mode that's just like NG+ all over again.

It was nice to have the chance to play the game a third time with all upgrades.

 

[Broseph44]

Good. That was a completely pointless mode. It could have been just a trophy and it would have saved me time from playing a mode that's just like NG+ all over again.

Nobody forced you to play that mode haha

 

[batfreakforever]

I wish there was an I am the night mode for Arkham Knight. Man...some people just want it f****** easy.
Now would that mode make you stop and really think like Batman when you plan your attack even more on criminals. Yes I think it would.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Still, won't mean the restart the game after one death won't happen.

 

[Havok83]

Anyone else hate the skins in the game? I mean pretty much all of them? I hate the metallic look they all seem to have. Reminds me of Batman and Robin the movie. I just go with the default Batman look bc I cant stand his alternates. I hate Robin's hair in the new 52 one as well. The alternate costumes were so good in AC and Origins but they dont look that good here

 

[OutOfBoose]

Alternative costumes always suck. This game isn't an exception either.

 

[Havok83]

Alternative costumes always suck. This game isn't an exception either.

thats not true. As I mentioned, they were for the most part good in the previous games

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Agreed, alternate outfits are fantastic in City and Origins.

 

[Nathan]

And in City they actually bothered to model different faces for the costumes.

 

[The Joker]

So, by me saying people are unrealistic in their expectations and yadda yadda yadda, that's something that needs to be based in fact, right? Well tell me, how can you say the "disappointment" of this game is a fact, that it being the "weakest in the series" is a fact and conclude that it's anything other than an opinion too? What's your basis? Some reviews? Whatever reviews you've seen or read, there's just as many, if not more, that say the opposite. That this game is the best in the series, or at least close to it. And what's a review in the first place? Someone's opinion about it. So nothing you've said is based on any kind of fact either, is it?

What's the fact? The only fact, is that this game is a critical and commercial success. Yes, a critical success. The only metric that you feel is justified is the same metric that sinks your argument. Because the majority of reviewers don't think this game is the worst of the series or that it's a disappointment. Being disappointed with a section of the game is not an overall feeling of being letdown by it. Actually the game you just said you feel is the best in the series is the one universally derided as the worst. So what facts do you have to dispute that?

By me saying this generation of gamers are generally spoiled and entitled, that's an opinion, but one I feel strongly about. These are the same people who complain and pout about their smartphone any time it doesn't work because they barely have any recollection of phones that only worked inside of a house. They condescend and talk about whatever system they like as if it's some kind of football team they need to cheer for, or compare graphical power like they understand what they're talking about or can really tell the difference half the time. The same people who can't even appreciate the magic of sitting in their house and playing a game with someone in another state because they don't know what a TurboGrafx-16 or Vectrex was. Hell, what a Sega Channel was.

Point being, whether fair or not, it's generally easier to amaze & impress someone who's witnessed and lived through the infancy of the gaming industry, as opposed to someone else who never touched Batman on SNES to know the difference. These types of people complain about everything, get sick of everything, and generally have no real affection or appreciation for the game industry and how far it's come. And that goes for other media, entertainment or generally anything in pop culture too. The first time I saw someone "reviewing" porn like Spielberg was behind it, I knew we were in trouble as a society.

But that's a conversation for another time. Bottomline for me, this is an amazing game on almost every technical level and it tells it's story, IMO, better than any of the previous games in the series. But do I think half the people who'll play this game wouldn't understand amazing if it smacked them in the face? Yes I do.

Yes, if you're going to accuse people of having unrealistic expectations, that needs to be based in fact. I can say people found the game a disappointment because they say so in their reviews. I'm not putting words in their mouth or labeling them with something I think they are but have no real basis for saying so. There's no other way to gauge what people thought about something other than reading what they have to say about it, unless you're a mind reader.

Throwing the game was a critical and commercial success excuse doesn't make it any less of a disappointment. Tons of successful games and movies have been disappointments to people. Take the latest Avengers movie, Age of Ultron, for example. Success critically and financially, but many found it disappointing. Disappointing. Not bad. You act like something being found disappointing makes it bad. It does not. Just not as good as it could have been.

You can feel what ever way you like about this generation of gamers. That's your right. But if you're going to come in here and say all the disappointment for the game is based on unrealistic expectations, then have a basis for saying that beyond a mere belief you have.

To give you another example, The Dark Knight Rises. I've seen people say a lot of the disappointment and criticism for that came from the fact that it wasn't The Dark Knight. Personally I wouldn't say that's entirely true because a lot of the complaints were about the movie itself and what it did. But a lot of reviews kept comparing it to TDK, and saying it didn't do this or that as good as TDK, or Bane wasn't as good as the Joker etc etc. So there is some basis for saying people were going in expecting TDK 2.0 and not getting it. But like with AOU and this game, that doesn't mean people still didn't like it and enjoy it.

Unlike with this game people simply criticized for what we got, not what they were expecting themselves. If anything most people were excited to drive the Batmobile, which is the most criticized element of the game, because the footage made it look like loads of fun.

I didn't see anyone complain about having the ability to drive the Batmobile in the street, that's just ridiculous. Actually, most people critical of the tank battles said they would've preferred if the Batmobile was just an optional means of transportation, not that it should've been excluded from the game altogether.

Again, I also didn't see that much being made of the side quests, not saying you haven't, but I'd venture to guess it's far from a universal critique. Same thing with the boss battles, not everybody wanted that in there.

Who said anything about complaining about driving the Batmobile in the street?

Yes, the Batmobile should have been an optional mode of transport was absolutely one of the common complaints because people were complaining about being forced to use it all the time to do simple things like go from A to B. Like you can't go to Wayne Tower unless it's in the Batmobile at one stage because there's a tank battle in the parking garage at the end of the journey. Or do certain side missions because they require the Batmobile. At least 50% of the gameplay is forcing the player to use the Batmobile. The game was basically turned into a driving game.

Driving it around was fine, being forced to use it constantly was not. Optional mode of transport, that was what a lot of people would have preferred.

Doc Sampson, will you please, please stop painting us with such a broad brush and explaining to us the reasons we found the game disappointing.

It was amusing at first, but now it's simply become the same old tired rant that so many others bring forth when they refuse to understand that maybe, just maybe, some people's criticisms do contain worth beyond being 'spoilt' or 'entitled' or 'having too high expectations.'

 

[OutOfBoose]

Agreed, alternate outfits are fantastic in City and Origins.

Seriously speaking, I like Dark Knight Returns and Anime skins. Beyond one is a over-designed, relatively meh. New 52 and Flashpoint are ugly. Asylum/City and Knight story suits are fantastic. I never used any of City or Origins alternative suits, they're ugly.