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I am hyped for PLENTY of Phase 5 and 6 stuff!
I'm willing to bet Deadpool 3 ties into secret wars.
That's the thing that gets me. There were multiple points in the third act, where things could have been played as emotionally triumphant moments. But because some aspects were rushed, some elements wanted to be played more sinister than it needed, and hell, the resolution is resolved a bit bad for the heroes. Now, I imagine what Coogler was going for was a bit more of a realistic approach to how he and the cast were feeling. And honestly it might have worked if they had not kept the original emotional impact of the 2nd act.
Comparison to Logan is weird, because as dour as that movie was, it ended a lot more hopeful than this movie. And yes, I do not consider the post credits stuff to be part of the movie. If its important, put it in the damn movie itself.
I think thats intended to be made that way, though..
At first the reason Shuri put on the suit is to take revenge on Namor. And thats why the person she saw on the dream is Killmonger.
So, I believe Coogler deliberately put that uncomfortable or sinister feels on our protagonist in the 3rd act. That it is not intended to be a triumpant moment as it is part of her arc here that mirroring her brother in Civil War.
I absolutely know why they did it. And I don' necessarily fault him for why they did the way they did. The film was as much about their grief as it was about the character's grief. And it is a realistic take. I'm not asking for immediate light hearted moment after a moment of tragedy. I just needed some bits of heroic triumph to counter a near full movie of grieving. But then again, it may be a personal issue given things in my life recently.
Watched the movie, still collecting my thoughts. The Latinx savages were pretty much as racists as I expected. Especially in the light of the comparison to the Wakanda folk. The commentary on colonialism is lost when you know, disconnect the people from it.
The first film is all about empathy for modern people for what happened to them. Here they separate the plight of Latinx/Hispanic folk by tying this all to hundreds of years ago, without a modern prospective. Having the people walk around like savages as opposed to Wakanda, where they keep their traditions, but also have modern tech and clothes.
Outside of that, Namor was cool even with his ugly Yeezys, AB was amazing, Lupita was great, and I enjoyed seeing Okoye again. Riri was fun, but so unnecessary, as was the entire CIA plotline, which just slowed the film down. Could of done with more M'Baku.
I do not expect this to have great legs, as it's super long and super melancholy. Wouldn't be surprised if this tapped out under 500m, even with the A Cinemascore.
Quite the contrary, I didn’t feel like Riri or America were shoehorned into these movies. Both of those characters served their respective purpose to help balance out the main hero.
Riri had some legit funny ass one liners in this movie too. My audience was cracking up.
I am always curious to what is wrong with Namor's Latin/Mexican heritage in the movie.
You said it is racist since the first trailer came out, but I dont really know or aware how or what. (I wanted to ask before but decided not to because afraid it will wade into politics talk...but after I watched the movie, I am just really curious here.haha)
So, can you please kindly tell me whats in Namor's Talokan culture in the movie that you see as racist interpretation here, if you dont mind me ask? Hehe.
Thanks before
Then again, he was a big fan of Doctor Strange 2, the film that indulged in the Sam Raimi craziness at the expense of Wanda‘s previous character arc and turned her into a psycho, powerful crazy woman needlessly killing characters for her children, and Falcon and the Winter Soldier, whose politics were very confused and muddled with its support of cops and centrist rhetoric in the finale.
But, hey, character assassination and weird political stances is fine as long as the thing that you’re watching has a unique vision and style.
Eh, I'd split the difference. America Chavez was central to the story of MoM, in that she was both the driving macguffin and had a character arc of her own. Riri, OTOH, was somewhat extraneous, if still fun. The difference is that Riri was a fun side character in a large ensemble, whereas America was the deuteragonist in a story which a much narrower cast. They have different roles and functions.
Then again, he was a big fan of Doctor Strange 2, the film that indulged in the Sam Raimi craziness at the expense of Wanda‘s previous character arc and turned her into a psycho, powerful crazy woman needlessly killing characters for her children, and Falcon and the Winter Soldier, whose politics were very confused and muddled with its support of cops and centrist rhetoric in the finale.
But, hey, character assassination and weird political stances is fine as long as the thing that you’re watching has a unique vision and style.
*cough* Superhero stories should almost always be "supportive of cops" in the sense that the superhero doesn't take it on themselves to be judge jury and executioner. Because that is the only alternative a superhero has: if they *don't* turn over those malefactors they stop to law enforcement, and implicitly grant legitimacy and support to the idea of governmental power? Then they have to do it themselves. And do you *really* want superheroes whose standard policy for prisoners is either "I don't take any, ever" or else "Doc Savage had the right idea, I'm going to run my own private prison"?