Terminator: Dark Fate

If they do another one it needs whole new approach and to get back to basics like Prey kinda did.

Wait a few more years also and no returning cast members, and I say that as a huge Arnold fan.

I love the first 2 movies so much I will probably never stop hoping they can make this franchise successful again.
 
I'll only accept a new movie if Cameron writes/directs and undoes the killing of John Connor.

The latter was just a slap in the face.
 
Yeah I would love it if it takes the Prey route and do a back to basis, but I don't want it to be about the Conners. Surely Skynet had sent other terminators to other parts of the world to take down other rebel leaders.
 
If they do another one I think it needs to better reflect our relationship with technology today. AI in itself isn’t a scary concept anymore and is something we now engage with regularly. So I’d like to see that story, personally. Show what happens after humans conquer AI and push it toward self-awareness. Give me an AI protagonist fighting for its independence alongside human sympathizers.

At this stage, I’d say humanity is more fearful of billionaires and massive corporations misusing tech than they are of the tech itself. So I’d like a story that showcases that.
 
AVEITWITHJAMON said:
If they do another one it needs whole new approach and to get back to basics like Prey kinda did.

Wait a few more years also and no returning cast members, and I say that as a huge Arnold fan.

I love the first 2 movies so much I will probably never stop hoping they can make this franchise successful again.
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Kane52630 said:
Yeah I would love it if it takes the Prey route and do a back to basis, but I don't want it to be about the Conners. Surely Skynet had sent other terminators to other parts of the world to take down other rebel leaders.
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Yeah something like Prey might work. There should be no Arnold, no Connors, ignore all the stuff about the new girl replacing John, and Skynet now being different in the future. Unfortunately you can't fix what they did in Dark Fate, it would be weird to do a reboot again since Dark Fate already was supposed to be that...
 
Did the rights return to Cameron yet, or do they still reside elsewhere?
 
You know what? I rewatched DARK FATE about a week ago, and it's a good movie. Me and my daughter watched all of the Terminator movies (her first time!) and I'd never done the whole series back-to-back like that. DARK FATE is far and away the best of the sequels. It has the relentless R-rated intensity I want from these movies. The only one that comes close is RISE OF THE MACHINES, which is merely an okay movie but has a staggeringly great last five minutes. GENESYS is better than I remembered whilst also being not remotely a good movie. SALVATION I had the biggest turn around on. I used to think it was good, and while it's well shot and acted it's mostly just boring and the 3rd act is a cluster**** of poor writing.

I'm down for a more AI driven Terminator film, but I'm also with the general consensus that the only way forward is a clean slate, but a cleaner slate than "only the first two are cannon." I definitely think there's potential in taking just the basic premise and rewriting it out completely from there, in the vein of Cronenberg's THE FLY.
 
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I always had an idea for a movie that would follow Sarah while she was pregnant with John, and a machine comes back to try to kill her before she gives birth. It would be her and Enrique trying to stop it, showing how they met and stuff.

Keep it low budget, give it T1/slasher vibes.
 
Keys to doing a good Terminator reboot:

Avoid another Dark Fate. Avoid another Genisiys.

The first two Terminator movies were not anti-technology, they were anti-war. First movie had something to say about the nuclear proliferation of the 1980s. Second movie was being filmed right as the Gulf War was starting, and it gave everyone on the set chills. Talk about the drone programs and bombing overseas countries and treat Skynet/Legion/whatever as the ultimate result of how we are using technology to wage war in the 21rst century. Have something to say about A.I. Treat it like serious science fiction.

Keep the timeline and time travel simple. One Terminator. One protector.

Keep it R rated.

Keep it human and relatable.
 
AndrewGilkison said:
Keys to doing a good Terminator reboot:

Avoid another Dark Fate. Avoid another Genisiys.

The first two Terminator movies were not anti-technology, they were anti-war. First movie had something to say about the nuclear proliferation of the 1980s. Second movie was being filmed right as the Gulf War was starting, and it gave everyone on the set chills. Talk about the drone programs and bombing overseas countries and treat Skynet/Legion/whatever as the ultimate result of how we are using technology to wage war in the 21rst century. Have something to say about A.I. Treat it like serious science fiction.

Keep the timeline and time travel simple. One Terminator. One protector.

Keep it R rated.

Keep it human and relatable.
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Honestly, Dark Fate was the best Terminator we got post-T2 and the audience just couldn’t be bothered with it. Even if another one conceptually succeeds where the past few have failed… I just don’t think anyone cares anymore.

Unless Cameron directs it himself and we all know that **** isn’t going to happen.
 
I'm glad Cameron hasn't turned his back on this franchise, but at this point, it would need a complete reinvention from the ground up. No Arnold. No Connor's. Hard reboot.
 
moviedoors said:
You know what? I rewatched DARK FATE about a week ago, and it's a good movie. Me and my daughter watched all of the Terminator movies (her first time!) and I'd never done the whole series back-to-back like that. DARK FATE is far and away the best of the sequels. It has the relentless R-rated intensity I want from these movies. The only one that comes close is RISE OF THE MACHINES, which is merely an okay movie but has a staggeringly great last five minutes. GENESYS is better than I remembered whilst also being not remotely a good movie. SALVATION I had the biggest turn around on. I used to think it was good, and while it's well shot and acted it's mostly just boring and the 3rd act is a cluster**** of poor writing.

I'm down for a more AI driven Terminator film, but I'm also with the general consensus that the only way forward is a clean slate, but a cleaner slate than "only the first two are cannon." I definitely think there's potential in taking just the basic premise and rewriting it out completely from there, in the vein of Cronenberg's THE FLY.
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I think the thing that brings DF down in a lot of people's eyes are the first 10 mins. As a huge Terminator fan I was actually okay with it. And the rest of the movie was pretty good. The actress who played Dani I was a bit iffy on becoming a future bad ass though.

Salvation is the worst of the sequel's for me and has been for some time. They should never have given a Terminator movie to McG. I knew it was doomed when he got the T-600's wrong.
 
The problem with all Terminator sequels (asides from Salvation) has, arguably, been Arnie. He's the face of the franchise but by constantly trying to shoehorn an ageing actor into these movies to play a machine, the plot has had to be compromised to facilitate that.

If they're going to continue, they need to switch it up a level and move on from the Arnie era. Salvation had a lot of faults, but IMO it's aged better than the others and I respect that they at least tried to tread new ground.
 
elgaz said:
The problem with all Terminator sequels (asides from Salvation) has, arguably, been Arnie. He's the face of the franchise but by constantly trying to shoehorn an ageing actor into these movies to play a machine, the plot has had to be compromised to facilitate that.

If they're going to continue, they need to switch it up a level and move on from the Arnie era. Salvation had a lot of faults, but IMO it's aged better than the others and I respect that they at least tried to tread new ground.
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I do give Salvation credit for not retreading the same ground as T1/T2 like the other sequels did. Terminator 3 wasn't the worst received of them but it's really the same plot as T2 but with a different ending.
 
A future war is a great idea, but the execution is so lacking in Salvation. What was so visually dazzling in the flash forwards for T1 and T2 became so lacklustre.

There’s kind of a reason McG is regulated to Netflix movies now lol
 
I'm sorry, but the main thing that bugged me about the sequel movies is this idea:

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That is so the wrong approach and goes against the very essence of what this franchise is about. It's already established that there is no fate but what we make for ourselves, so why would you make the future war that many characters traveled and fought across time for inevitable?

Honestly, the story ended in that alternate T2 ending for me, many moons ago.
 
T3 had good ideas. The future isn’t set but that doesn’t mean Skynet still can’t find a way to exist.
 
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