Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Part 2

[DA_Champion]

I'm kinda saddened at the small-ish box office returns for this film.

Agreed, I wish people watched more of this and less of ASM 2, GoTG, and T4: AoE.

This may be a franchise, bit they told an originsl story.

 

[spiderman2]

I just wanted to also ask the belated question of how do people rank the overall franchise(s) films in regards to Apes?

For me it goes:

The Good
1. Planet of the Apes (1968)
2. Escape From the Planet of the Apes (1971)
3. Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014)

The O.K.
4. Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011)
5. Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
6. Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)

And the Awful
7. Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes (2001)
8. Battle of the Planet of the Apes (1973)

For a franchise with so many films, there is a consistency to most of it. And other than the awful Burton movie, all of them end on serious downers and cynicism. It is actually quite the rarity in modern science fiction these days, especially on a big budget scale like the most recent films.

I have only seen 4 of them but yeah this is how I would go with them.

1. Dawn of the apes 2014
2. Planent of the apes 1968
3. Rise of the apes
4. By far the worse of the 4 I have seen tim burton's planet of the apes.

 

[antsman41]

Dawn
Rise
Escape

Original
Conquest

Battle
Beneath
Remake

 

[Cobblepot]

Loved it! In a weird way humans started the war by treating Koba so bad and experimenting on him. He was scarred.

 

[Thoix]

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Rise of the Planet of the Apes

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes
Escape from the Planet of the Apes

Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Battle for the Planet of the Apes
Planet of the Apes (2001)

 

[psylockolussus]

I only saw three of them.
1. Dawn
Rise
2001

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That is the beauty of it. Everyone assumes Gary Oldman's character will start the war, because "Rise" established in this new franchise the apes are the more "noble" and just species (though that is in the original too if you actually seriously consider Taylor's actions and the implicit cultural horror of the first movie's ending).

But as with any "stalemate" situation where two cultures or different groups of people try to share the same space, there will be bad actors and war hawks on either side. The movie is not "apes are good, humans are evil" like the first one kind of simplistically implied. As with almost any war or conflict, there are actors on both sides that push for violence and conflict based on prejudices, such as Koba, who proves far more militaristic than Oldman's character.

As for the immunity, some people genetically could have an immunity to it. This is a virus that apparently wiped out 99% of the world's population or something absurd like that. Even the catastrophic Bubonic Plague of the early 14th century only wiped out roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of Europe (though some communities lost up to half their populations). That is still end of the world type horror, but there were people who survived that at much higher numbers than this film's rather grim scenario.

Great post, thats why this is such a good movie, it turned the 1st movie on its head and showed, as Caesar says, "Apes are no different than humans." Which again is shown in the old franchise.

I'm kinda saddened at the small-ish box office returns for this film.

Its made more than the 1st movie and will continue to make more, over $500 million WW at the moment.

I only saw three of them.
1. Dawn
Rise
2001

Same here, and thats my rating.

 

[kedrell]

It should cross $200M DOM today.

 

[kedrell]

Damn, just missed it by $88K. Oh well, today it hits it for sure.

 

[redhawk23]

Agreed, I wish people watched more of this and less of ASM 2, GoTG, and T4: AoE.

This may be a franchise, bit they told an originsl story.

Guardians was great man.

Also the domestic grosses for Apes and Amazing Spider-man 2 are almost identical.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Apes deserved more

 

[psylockolussus]

It should get at least $210 million in North America at this point.

 

[DA_Champion]

Guardians was great man.

Also the domestic grosses for Apes and Amazing Spider-man 2 are almost identical.

Why is domestic gross even a variable? Total gross is the most important.

As for Guardians, it was ok.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The sequel did a good job on taking an element from the previous movie (Koba's torture) and building the narrative into the next film.

I wonder if they're going to continue that tradition into Apes 3.

 

[DA_Champion]

Comicbookgirl19 reviewed guardians of the galaxy and dawn of the planet of the apes.

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She evaluated GoTG as good and DotPotA as significant.

 

[TheVileOne]

Agreed, I wish people watched more of this and less of ASM 2, GoTG, and T4: AoE.

This may be a franchise, bit they told an originsl story.

It's making more than the first one.

I'm not really upset. I like these movies, but they still don't touch the original in my mind.

 

[DA_Champion]

It's making more than the first one.

I'm not really upset. I like these movies, but they still don't touch the original in my mind.

It would be incredibly difficult to match the original. It's good that they're doing their own thing.

 

[Cobblepot]

What's still so appealing to the first movies? I re-watched them (haven't seen them since childhood) and they we're a chore to sit through. The Apes don't even move and start to make apelike sounds halvway through. You could see the actors mouths underneath the mask. Cheesy lines etc.

Is it out of nostalgia that you guys rate them high?

 

[DA_Champion]

What's still so appealing to the first movies? I re-watched them (haven't seen them since childhood) and they we're a chore to sit through. The Apes don't even move and start to make apelike sounds halvway through. You could see the actors mouths underneath the mask. Cheesy lines etc.

Is it out of nostalgia that you guys rate them high?

I only liked the first Apes movie. The second one was so incredibly boring that I never bothered with the third and fourth.

You're right that the Burton film and this new franchise have better production value. However, the original one was very thoughtful. It may well be that it's not that exciting to watch if you've already learned the ending.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I love the first PotA with Heston. It's very well written (Serling for Zod's sake!!!) and it has some beautiful and haunting imagery and cinematography. That being said, I think it's more than knowing the ending that stops someone from a later generation from appreciating it (I'm with DA CHAMPION on not caring for the later films in the series, for a host of reasons, though Beneath the Planet of The Apes comes close, but misses it's mark...). I think it's impact is far less if you didn't live through either the height or waning days of The Cold War. Nuclear annihilation was a weight in both the conscious and unconscious lives of many people during that period that lasted decades. It's the Apocalyptic dream that wafted through even many of the most benign entertainments of the era. I can understand in a modern context for those born after how it might lose something for that experience not being part of someone's daily life.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The sequel did a good job on taking an element from the previous movie (Koba's torture) and building the narrative into the next film.

I wonder if they're going to continue that tradition into Apes 3.

What element do you think they will take from Dawn though? There are a good few, but I think it will be how quickly the apes turned against humans when someone like Koba was there to sway them.

What's still so appealing to the first movies? I re-watched them (haven't seen them since childhood) and they we're a chore to sit through. The Apes don't even move and start to make apelike sounds halvway through. You could see the actors mouths underneath the mask. Cheesy lines etc.

Is it out of nostalgia that you guys rate them high?

I have to agree, I think the originals are a chore to sit through, even the original. And I am not some young kid who doesnt like old movies, I am 32 and many old movies are still my favourites.

 

[Cobblepot]

I am also 32 and do love a few older movies. What I like about the new Apes franschise is that they use human abuse as a motivation for the Apes (their leader Koba) to start the war. This is much closer to the book that sets up the Apes as slaves to mankind in the future.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I have never read the books either, i'll be honest before being totally surprised by Rise and how good it was, my interest in the franchise was little. Saw the Burton movie in the cinemas but thats about it.

 

[Octoberist]

I've always wanted to read the books.

 

[redhawk23]

Why is domestic gross even a variable? Total gross is the most important.

As for Guardians, it was ok.

I'm just saying, as far as American audiences go, its not like Spider-man blew Apes out of the water.